5-10 -- passive with an overpair

[Rococo]

5-10 NLH 5 handed

I have very little information on Villain as I have been at the table only a few minutes. Two hands earlier, he blew me off a continuation bet on the flop with a big raise. I have $860. He has me covered.

Preflop

Folded to me on the Button with black Aces. I make it $40 to go. SB folds. Villain calls in the BB.

Flop

T /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gifQ /images/graemlins/spade.gif. Yuck. He checks. I check behind.

Turn

Q /images/graemlins/club.gif. He bets $50. I call (bad?).

River

A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif He bets $90.

Comments on flop or turn? How much do I raise this river?

[phil_ivey_fan]

anyone like an overbet here... something like $300+

I would have led at the flop. What was your plan when you checked? What was your plan when you called on the turn? You either got lucky and hit a 2-outer or got a poisoned pill if he was sitting on QQ

With the action having gone the way it did, I make a big bet (~$600) at this and hope he has 10-10 or J-J. You might even get paid off if he has a king. If he has QQ I just lose a lot of money with the big full.

If he doesn't have one of those hands, I don't think you're going to get another dime out of him. He has to know that a set of queens is no good.

[Rococo]

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I would have led at the flop. What was your plan when you checked?

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Villain was first to act, so I couldn't "lead" at the flop. I checked behind for pot control. This flop sucks for me.

This flop did suck for you, but I would have bet (not led /images/graemlins/smile.gif) at it to find out where I was while the pot was still small. If he flopped a set of queens or jacks or a straight he would have shown his strength then for aobut $100.

I prefer to be the aggressor in a pot like this to make the villian make a decision that will reveal his hand.

So, did he have the quads?

[okayplayer]

Bet the flop ($60 or so). This is 5 handed and he called your "steal" on the button, which means he could have a wide range of hands here; this is not that bad of a flop. If he re-raised you PF, then I wouldn't like the flop that much. The spot to check behind is the turn. I raise the river to $300-$350.

[gomberg]

I like an overbet on the river. I also like the flop check. On the turn, I don't mind the call too much, but I'd consider a raise there and then don't put another dime in the pot (unless you hit an ace).

[lapoker17]

I'm checking that flop like 90% of the time.

I can't say I would have played it any differently.
I don't mind the flop check, although I would bet it against certain opponents, but either way his position will force him to begin defining his hand on the turn.
Turn good.
Raise 2x his lead on river - he'll be hard pressed to fold hands like QJ or QA (maybe even QK, JJ, or TT) and may even reraise here with lesser boat holdings.
As usual in NLHE, you have to suck it up with the 2nd nuts and be willing to go broke into quads here unless you know you're beat.

[Rococo]

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This is 5 handed and he called your "steal" on the button, which means he could have a wide range of hands here; this is not that bad of a flop.

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Is there any such thing as a bad flop on this logic? I guess not.

[okayplayer]

Ok sure, I guess I'm just saying that you seem to be acting scared w/o any reason to. You give a free card when you very likely have the best hand on a draw heavy flop - I don't like to do that too often, unless I also have a draw that I don't want to blown off of. Maybe it's just a different style... I tend to bet most flops when I raise PF.

[flawless_victory]

is this live or internet?
why do ppl post hands without telling us anything about game conditions?
WTF?!?

[Rococo]

Sorry. This is on-line. As you can see from the original post, I just sat down, so I don't have much to add on table dynamics.

[muzungu]

Enough of the dopey flop discussion, that is beside the point.

My goal here is to get a call from a K and a 3-bet from a full house (or a big bluff). So I am going to make it look like i am dumb and I am raising my K for value. Bet $250.

If you make a smallish overbet here, villain might make a "tough fold" with his K, and he might shrug and call with his JJ/QJ/etc. So, pushing is good too (sacrificing value from any K to get more from the bigger full houses), but I don't like a small overbet.

The flop/turn action looks fine.

-muz

[Lucky]

I bet flop, check turn. He's gotta fear AK, this way you take control of hand and excercise pot control.

Anyway on River, I push, maybe a smaller boat, k calls. Bottom lines, he thinks his small bets have lured you in. Let it work, you've been "suckered" into stealing from him.

[Rococo]

It looks like a number of people thought that an overbet was a good idea. I wasn't deep enough to make the distinction between a small overbet and push meaningful, so I pushed. In retrospect, I think that it was a bad idea. By the time I get to the river, I should have been able to put Villain put Villain on AK, KQ, KJ or KK. Flop check and weak lead on the turn would be a pretty funky line for Villain with QT, QJ, TT or JJ.

After I push, Villain lets his time bank run down and types in "AA?". I start braying like the donkey that I am, and he folds. Needless to say, I have a bad feeling that I pushed him off a K.

[Prevaricator]

you played it fine.