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CourtJester

09-14-2005, 11:11 AM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, SB calls, MP calls.

River: (14 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, SB calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Results below:
SB doesn't show. Had ATo (Loves PAHUD)
MP has Ad 4d (two pair, aces and kings).
Hero has Kh Kc (four of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 20 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (2 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (4 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results below:
Hero has 3d 7h (full house, threes full of sevens).
SB has Qd 4s (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 6 BB.

deception5

09-14-2005, 11:14 AM

I would slowplay the second one if there were more people in the hand.

KeysrSoze

09-14-2005, 11:27 AM

Exactly. Watch me miss a bet on the flop. (Me thinking this was probably the dozenth time this guy bluffed or overplayed his hand, as he's been doing since he joined, and I want him to bet into me on the turn)

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

River: (17.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Final Pot: 25.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB doesn't show. (but he three of a kind, eights)
Hero has Kh Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 25.25 BB. 

I've seen it countless times though, a WPT-watching playa' goes all the way to the river just calling the bettor, then jumps into action with set vs. set, and leaves a whole bunch of money in the other guys stack.

kenberman

09-14-2005, 12:32 PM

sometimes slowplay, and it's not that simple

mvoss

09-14-2005, 01:37 PM

Maybe I'm wrong here, but isn't more people a reason not to slowplay?

09-14-2005, 01:39 PM

Yes! Someone that gets it!

09-14-2005, 01:41 PM

If your hand is vulnerable yes. But we have an almost invincible hand. So it there are 6 people in the pot, there is likely more value in getting them to pay us off on the turn and river rather than pushing them out on the flop.

mvoss

09-14-2005, 01:48 PM

Sure, but in a multiway pot you're much more likely to get callers making it more valuable to put in bets and raises.

09-14-2005, 01:53 PM

It would be very dependent on reads of the players, your postition to the aggresive players, etc. Not saying you always do it.

mvoss

09-14-2005, 02:00 PM

I completely agree with this, but assuming a typical PP .5/1 table I don't see more PF callers as an argument to slowplay here.

Maybe this is due to the fact that I'm not used to playing 6-max, and I'm not saying never to slowplay either.

jrz1972

09-14-2005, 02:02 PM

I would have slowplayed the second one.

Small pot, hard for villain to justify a call if I bet, a free card might give him a pay-off hand, my hand is basically unbeatable, etc.

09-14-2005, 02:04 PM

Say the guy to your left is really LAGGY post flop. Then I might just call on the turn if there are callers between the two of you, then go for a c/r on the turn and trap everyone for two bets. Don't know just a though, sometimes if you have the right reads a slowplay here could get you a lot of bets.

mvoss

09-14-2005, 02:11 PM

As I said, I didn't say never to slowplay this provided the right reads. I'm just saying that if the only difference is more callers I don't see the argument for slowplaying. If the table is loose you might as well play your hand as fast as possible. A lot of players, even though piss poor (meaning worse than me) will recognize the slow play and get out of your way.

GrunchCan

09-14-2005, 03:14 PM

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sometimes slowplay, and it's not that simple

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I agree. There is no 'never' in poker.

CaptainCrunch

09-14-2005, 04:23 PM

I post this specific hand because it was the 4th one in about an hour and a half with a Trip flop. In the previous ones, I saw how these guys react to that situation. Fold to any bet on the flop, then agression on turn and river if they have a PP, or pair up or even an Ace. I couldn't see any other way of extracting chips so....
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Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks.

Turn: (2 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG raises, MP folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

River: (11 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Tc 8s (four of a kind, tens).
UTG has 5h Jh (full house, tens full of jacks).
SB has 9d Kh (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 14 BB.

GrunchCan

09-14-2005, 04:27 PM

I'm OK with this based on your estimation of the table, but I think it's close. You aren't afraid of any free cards, which is +slowplay. The pot is small, which is +slowplay. But there are 3 opponents which is slightly -slowplay. It would be best if the pot were HU.

In this case, I'm fine with the slowplay. I especially like how you stepped on the gas on the turn when you saw action. Good reaction. Waiting for the river would have been less +EV then reacting on the turn like you did.