09-14-2005, 10:39 AM
I'm fairly new to this site, and just graduated to 2/4, so still learning. I've read SSH at least 3 times, and it has helped immensely. However, there's a recurring scenario that I am not sure how to handle.
Often at PP (and I'm sure other sites as well), I find myself in a room with multiple maniacs, who like to cap pre-flop frequently. The flop is also capped more often than not. These players will do this with seemingly any two cards. I can't tell you the number of times AKs lost to a pair of 3s. Obviously, there's money to be made if I can get two good cards and hit the flop. Thing is, I may have to wait 200 hands before I find something worth capping PF and hanging in for all those raises, esp. if I don't make my hand right away. It makes it hard to play something like KJs since I know it will be capped PF and most likely the later streets as well. SSH indicates that I should release that hand among others to a raise and re-raise. Should I decide to take my chances with KJs, if an A, K, Q, OR J hits on the flop, I have no way of knowing if my KJ is any good. Let's face it, even idiots catch good cards once in a while. And in this case, there's two or more, and it will cost me 14 BB to find out if I have the best hand.
A quick follow-up: If you find yourself HU against one of these maniacs in a raised pot, at what point would you give up something like AK without hitting the flop? Would you check-call through the river?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. If I could ask one question of Mr. Miller, Mr. Sklansky or Mr. Malmuth, this would probably be it. Maybe it's in one of their other books. I'll be sure and look into that as well. Great forum.
Often at PP (and I'm sure other sites as well), I find myself in a room with multiple maniacs, who like to cap pre-flop frequently. The flop is also capped more often than not. These players will do this with seemingly any two cards. I can't tell you the number of times AKs lost to a pair of 3s. Obviously, there's money to be made if I can get two good cards and hit the flop. Thing is, I may have to wait 200 hands before I find something worth capping PF and hanging in for all those raises, esp. if I don't make my hand right away. It makes it hard to play something like KJs since I know it will be capped PF and most likely the later streets as well. SSH indicates that I should release that hand among others to a raise and re-raise. Should I decide to take my chances with KJs, if an A, K, Q, OR J hits on the flop, I have no way of knowing if my KJ is any good. Let's face it, even idiots catch good cards once in a while. And in this case, there's two or more, and it will cost me 14 BB to find out if I have the best hand.
A quick follow-up: If you find yourself HU against one of these maniacs in a raised pot, at what point would you give up something like AK without hitting the flop? Would you check-call through the river?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. If I could ask one question of Mr. Miller, Mr. Sklansky or Mr. Malmuth, this would probably be it. Maybe it's in one of their other books. I'll be sure and look into that as well. Great forum.