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dmoney
09-13-2005, 08:22 AM
Ok. so last night went to a casino an hour away from my house in Brantford Ontario.

Normally id play 5/10$ but i figure i can beat the 2/5$ with less risk incase i keep getting sucked out on for a bad night /images/graemlins/smile.gif So anyways. Some situations that arose last night that proves why a better player will be a winning player at tables with inexperienced horrible players.

YES u may get sucked out on as proved last night with pocket aces a dood chases to river to hit a 4 card straight on the board and i lose a big pot.

2 hands later same guy chases to the river and hits another 4 card straight against 2 pair (aces and queens) At this point in FUMING /images/graemlins/smile.gif but i do my best to calm down and keep playing MY game not his.

One fellow just from when i sat down won about 8 pots with made flushes and is up from 100 to about 500. Yes this game does have on avg 7 ppl in a pot and 3-4 seeing the river. This guy is a horrible calling station and we all just knew he wasn’t going anywhere so as soon as his luck turns around he pisses it ALL away. Lost every penny.

Anyways, I stick to my game plan. And start to catch a couple nice flops.

Ive really found that most of my money came from 3 ppl. And guess what? They were all calling stations. One of them is the guy who sucked out on me 2x. but remember mathematically you will be the winner, not him, These types of games can be very profitable if you can adapt to them and also keep your cool when you do get beat by chasers.

I find the most profitable situations in these types of games are when you outkick someone. 3 or 4 pots I played Q,10 suited or Q9s or king jack, A,J – A,10 etc.

So many people play ace rag in this game like it’s a solid hand. I cant even count how many times I saw ace 5 win a pot. If you play hands with decent kickers in this type of game you will win most of your pots. I was still half in the midset that people in these games have a clue whats going on and almost folded winners to reraises but then it clicks. Hes got top pair with a horrible kicker, I just know it. So I call him and he turns over Q2 offsuit to my Queen 10 suited. I win  YAY. So u see. These games can be very good games if you can keep your cool and play decent SUITED hands. You don’t have to wait for great hands. Just mediocre hands are almost always good enough to win.

Oh, as final results i only finished up 100 after 3.5 hours BUT imagine how much i could have made had a got a tad more luck on my side and even one 1 of those 2 big pots i lost.


Anyone think im wrong? Lets hear it : ) What are everyones thoughts on this.

invictus33
09-13-2005, 08:35 AM
When I get stuck in a loose passive game (which happens a lot in casinos) I tighten up just enough to where I'm only really playing high connected cards. You can't make those guys fold with well played hands so you have to win on your cards alone more often then not.

Where on a tight table I'd be consistently playing down to 76s I wouldn't go under JTs at a LP table. TPTK is always a great hand in these games; but fish occasionally get AA so you still have to play with some smarts to make it a profitable venture.

crunchy1
09-13-2005, 08:37 AM
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When I get stuck in a loose passive game (which happens a lot in casinos) I tighten up just enough to where I'm only really playing high connected cards. You can't make those guys fold with well played hands so you have to win on your cards alone more often then not.

Where on a tight table I'd be consistently playing down to 76s I wouldn't go under JTs at a LP table. TPTK is always a great hand in these games; but fish occasionally get AA so you still have to play with some smarts to make it a profitable venture.

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WPE

deception5
09-13-2005, 10:44 AM
76s is a great hand in a loose passive game...

invictus33
09-13-2005, 10:53 AM
Assuming lots of limpers and I'm in late position I'd play it everytime. In general, though, I'd rather play high suited cards then hands that are easily dominated. Maybe 76s wasn't such a good example of that. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Roland19
09-13-2005, 11:29 AM
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When I get stuck in a loose passive game (which happens a lot in casinos) I tighten up just enough to where I'm only really playing high connected cards. You can't make those guys fold with well played hands so you have to win on your cards alone more often then not.

Where on a tight table I'd be consistently playing down to 76s I wouldn't go under JTs at a LP table. TPTK is always a great hand in these games; but fish occasionally get AA so you still have to play with some smarts to make it a profitable venture.

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WPE

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It's not even close.

ebranig
09-13-2005, 11:43 AM
What's WPE?

Roland19
09-13-2005, 11:50 AM
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What's WPE?

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Worst post ever.

27offsooot
09-13-2005, 12:53 PM
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When I get stuck in a loose passive game (which happens a lot in casinos) I tighten up just enough to where I'm only really playing high connected cards. You can't make those guys fold with well played hands so you have to win on your cards alone more often then not.

Where on a tight table I'd be consistently playing down to 76s I wouldn't go under JTs at a LP table. TPTK is always a great hand in these games; but fish occasionally get AA so you still have to play with some smarts to make it a profitable venture.

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WPE

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Clearly you do not read other forums.

invictus33
09-13-2005, 11:08 PM
Lord above I see enough bitching in here but not a single piece of advice. Just saying WPE or anything like that isn't going to help anyone on any forum in here. So please, oh poker god that you are, post something constructive.

shant
09-13-2005, 11:24 PM
I make all my money playing 89s in tight games against good aggressive players.

Harv72b
09-13-2005, 11:34 PM
Loose/passives are a TAG's best friend. Yes, it can be infuriating when they catch runner runner to suck out on your flopped set, but that's the price you pay for the huge profits you will make off of them over time. Think about it--they pad your pots nearly every time, calling down with weak draws or paying off with bottom pair/no kicker. When they actually do catch a big hand, they rarely get the full value out of it (and you rarely have occasion to pay them off). I mean, I absolutely love playing against maniacs & LAGs because I love pulling in the huge pots you'll win against them, but I've long recognized that the loose/passives are the ones responsible for my win rate.

As far as playing against a whole table full of them, you just have to be smart & realize that one pair, no matter how strong a pair it is, is rarely going to win on a table where 7 people are typically seeing the flop & nobody is folding anything until the river. Don't overplay your one pair hands and don't get too attached to TPTK when those LPPs are suddenly going crazy and you'll do just fine.

In homage to loose/passives everywhere, here's a hand I played earlier today. I couldn't believe what they flipped over at showdown:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero folds.

River: (5.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 9.50 BB, between UTG and MP2.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by MP2 (9.50 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Td Th (two pair, kings and tens).
MP2 has Ks Kd (four of a kind, kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins 9.50 BB. </font>