Flopped Set Against Loose Passive

[ncboiler]

Just started playing 3/6 and its KICKING MY ASS. Villian is the button and is 55/6/1.3

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Should have bet/check raised but I wanted to wait for safe card on the turn (stupid) or try to build a big pot on the turn.

Turn: (3.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Okay. Played flop bad but my idea is coming together.

River: (10.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Had to call.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Any help here appreciated. Did I play this right? Should I have raised the river? Was slow playing flop a good idea? One of the best pieces of advice I've gotten on this thing is "Slow playing sucks"

Thanks in advance

[zgall1]

I think you need to raise this river. You are ahead a lot of the time here because villain is not that passive from your stats.

[closer2313]

You really need to bet/3bet this flop and then lead the turn.

No one showed any aggression preflop. The flop is all low cards. Letting this get checked through is just leaving money on the table. I'm also 3 betting the river.

[ncboiler]

Is 1.28 not passive? It's kind of middle of the road I guess. Because 3/6 is kicking my ass I expect the worse.

[crego20]

Raise the flop but you know that.

I 3-bet the river and call a cap, what are you behind, set over set, A2, 67. I think Button has 2 pair or worse often enough here for the 3-bet to be right.

[ncboiler]

If they had shown aggression I would have lead out the flop for sure and hoped for a raise. I knew I played it wrong however as soon as I checked. I could have check raised but then given my hand away so I figured I woould go for a check raise on the turn. Like I said it worked out like I wanted it to but that doesn't mean it was the right play.

[ncboiler]

Seeing how I checked the flop should I have check raised or check raised the turn? I think if I check raise the flop BB would fold the turn or just call. If he was bluffing at it on the flop he would fold. If he had over pair he would just call.

[crego20]

1.28 is not passive when he is in 50% of all hands. He is ramming and jamming alot to get his AF that high with his VP$IP that high. Does that make sense to you?

[Bodhi]

Bet the flop and don't slow down. 3-bet the river and call a cap.

[JDErickson]

I bet the flop and keep it floored the whole way until the river. I just call the river raise. I think 67 is a definate possibility here or a bigger set.

[ncboiler]

No I'm sorry. Aggressiveness is (Bet% + raise%)/Call% and is not based on number of hands. Yes if someone plays a lot of hands you would expect them to do a lot of calling but I don't always see that being the case. I look at AF seperate from % hands played. I actually thought that people that play a large number of hands would have a higher AF just because of their nature.

[TheHip41]

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River: (10.50 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Had to call.

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Oh my god 3 bet the river already.

Just bet the flop, and go from there. I think I might have capped the first two streets, and if I bet the river and get raised, then, I 'might' call. If he has A2, good for him.

[ncboiler]

I think you are exactly right. Thanks

[ncboiler]

Agrees. Aggression is not a problem for me and I think I am actually too aggressive. That's why I wanted to post this. Not that I was thinking that I was too aggressive here but maybe turned into a weak tight player.

[TheHip41]

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No I'm sorry. Aggressiveness is (Bet% + raise%)/Call% and is not based on number of hands. Yes if someone plays a lot of hands you would expect them to do a lot of calling but I don't always see that being the case. I look at AF seperate from % hands played. I actually thought that people that play a large number of hands would have a higher AF just because of their nature.

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You are wrong. If you are in 50% of your hands, you have to be raising a lot of weaker draws to get your AF up to 1.5. If I see someone with a VP of 50, with a AF of 1.5, I usually just make it up to like 2 or 2.25 or so.

[crego20]

You have the definition perfect.

Now think about what that means for a 55% VP$IP, he is flopping crap a lot. So a lot of folding/calling, and
very little raising/betting, vs a standard tag, who is
doing a lot of betting/raising and little calling.

Did that make it any clearer?

[ncboiler]

Noted. I'll take this into account for now on. Thanks!!!

[crego20]

Sure, I'm just glad I could help.

[Nick C]

When Button responds to Hero's turn check/3-bet by calling and then popping the river, I do think he's acting like he has a very strong hand.

It looks to me like it's quite possible Hero wasn't the only one slowplaying on the flop.

76/A2 is 32 combos. There are also a greater number of larger sets available than smaller ones.

If Button has QT (9 combos), then that's great, and there are some other hands Hero is beating such as 54 (3 combos), 43 (3 combos), 53 (9 combos), T5s (2 combos), Q3s (2 combos), and so forth.

I like leading the flop (instead of check-calling) and proceeding from there. But Hero's river play seems all right to me.

[ncboiler]

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It looks to me like it's quite possible Hero wasn't the only one slowplaying on the flop.



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Boy did you get that right.