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IHateCats
09-12-2005, 06:17 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($2166)
BB ($1914)
UTG ($1738)
UTG+1 ($2132)
MP1 ($2256)
MP2 ($1745.50)
CO ($1970)
Button ($3333)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $20, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $95</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $75.

Flop: ($210) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $170</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $325</font>, UTG+1 calls $155.

Turn: ($860) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

What is Hero's best option here? Give it up or keep firing? And if keep firing how much should I lead out here?

&lt;ed&gt; Whoops, I left out a sentence. My initial instict is to weak lead here to potentially represent AA and get him off any single pairs, I'm not wild about betting close to pot and get myself really deep here.

Opponent is somewhat in between TAG and LAG, he's 9/25/8.6 in PT and is quite good. He certainly knows that I won't raise with AK or AQ out of the blinds all the time and is certainly capable to trying to steal here based on that alone. On the other hand I could easily be drawing to 2 outs, 0 outs if he's got AA or the Ks could be a poison pill that'll cost me my stack.

foldem
09-12-2005, 06:26 PM
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He certainly knows that I won't raise with AK or AQ out of the blinds

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Why don't you raise AK and other random stuff out of the blinds?

IHateCats
09-12-2005, 06:59 PM
I raise AK a certain percentage of the time but not nearly as high as when I have some chance of being in position for the rest of the hand. Being left holding A high after somone calls your continuation bet on the flop on a ragged low board out of position is a bad place to be. Especially when early position limpers are far more likely to have both pairs and potentially have limped with AA or KK than other positions. You can search the old posts, there are numerous more detailed discussions on just this.

Prevaricator
09-12-2005, 08:27 PM
they dont know you have ace high. They fold if they miss their set most of the time.

Alexthegreat
09-12-2005, 08:27 PM
Your line does not look like AA to me.

I think you have to pot the flop

IHateCats
09-12-2005, 08:35 PM
Sort of off topic here, if you want to have that discussion it merits a seperate thread though there are several in depth ones already in the archives and it's hardly as simple as you make it out, especially against tough opponents like the early limper in this hand.

IHateCats
09-12-2005, 08:39 PM
Actually I'm just fine with the flop play and a decent portion of the time that is how I will play AA here. Potting the flop with KK here just builds a big hand out of position with what on this board is a middling hand and it makes the pot so big I don't really have room left to manuever if he takes a shot at me by reraising it.

Alexthegreat
09-12-2005, 09:10 PM
I don't think he's going to take a shot at you if you pot the flop...

matt berkey
09-13-2005, 12:12 AM
My initial thought is that he is more than likely on a flush draw just judging by his flop play. I like the idea of weak leading the turn representing AA simply because it keeps the pot managable should a brick hit the river. Not to mention if he comes way over the top here, you're still able to get away from the hand cheaply.

IHateCats
09-13-2005, 12:26 AM
Can I ask if you play in the 10/20 NL games on Party, Stars or Prima? Because frankly I can name 10 regulars off the top of my head that will take a shot at me or a lot of other players in this situation on a regular basis on any bet of 1/3 to full pot sized if our stacks are over 2k.

savman
09-13-2005, 03:18 AM
without a read i am betting closer to pot on flop. given the underbet i think u should theebet pot. i am most likely done if called. could be a style thing, but i just dont see where u are serious about your hand at any point.

IHateCats
09-14-2005, 11:27 AM
I led for $375 on the turn and after taking forever villan folded.