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Mr. Curious
09-12-2005, 04:49 PM
Live $12/24 game
9 Handed
BB has been riding one hell of a lucky streak. He's loose and aggressive and will chase postflop.
MP3 has a horseshoe up his butt. Miracle cards have been dropping like flies for him and he has been running over the table. He's loose and aggressive, but decent post flop.
Hero is in the CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gifA/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Preflop: UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls
Flop: 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Pot: (10 SB)
On the flop, BB looks like he is hyperventilating and last time he acted this way, he showed down a strong hand. He looks at me like he is begging me to bet so he can check raise.
It is checked around to me and I bet (I know there are draws out there, but would it be safer to check based on BB's behavior and protect my hand on the turn instead?).
Button folds, BB raises, MP1 folds, MP3 calls two cold, I call.
Turn: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif [5/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/heart.gif] (3 players)
Pot: (8 BB)
BB bets, MP3 raises, Hero folds...
W. Deranged
09-12-2005, 04:53 PM
This is a good fold, in my opinion. If the BB doesn't have a monster hand as he seems to be indicating, the intermediate cold-caller/turn raiser almost certainly does. I highly doubt he's cold-calling with overcards/flush draw and then semi-bluffing the turn or raising with just a Q.
No, you should not check the flop, even if your boy over in the BB is hyperventilating... I think it's usually not a great idea to make plays widely divergent from sound strategy (as checking here would probably be) based solely on physical tells.
hicherbie
09-12-2005, 05:11 PM
I 3-bet the flop with your read of the players and toss it on the turn if theyre both still coming at me.
The way you played it, folding isnt bad. BB could just be nitting it up...but sb's raise in this pot prices you out. calling will probably get you stuck...so yeah. i think folding is best here.
W. Deranged
09-12-2005, 05:15 PM
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I 3-bet the flop with your read of the players and toss it on the turn if theyre both still coming at me.
The way you played it, folding isnt bad. BB could just be nitting it up...but sb's raise in this pot prices you out. calling will probably get you stuck...so yeah. i think folding is best here.
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I failed to mention in my first reply that I think three-betting the flop is the way to go also.
callmedonnie
09-12-2005, 05:18 PM
That middle player calling two cold and then raising the turn makes this an easy fold for me. Nice hand. And even when you see a physical tell like that, make note of it, but with Aces, or any hand for that matter, I play it the way I usually would with an additional pretense for caution. When the warning signs come now the decision is easier.
Both BB and MP3 are LAGs. Do you always expect a LAG to have a 7 if he is raising the turn? I think I call this hand down.
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...MP3 has a horseshoe up his butt...
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It took awhile for me to get past this visual...
After I got done laughing, I'd say, good fold, though.
callmedonnie
09-12-2005, 05:42 PM
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Both BB and MP3 are LAGs. Do you always expect a LAG to have a 7 if he is raising the turn? I think I call this hand down.
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Between the cold call on the flop and the turn raise, yes I expect a hand that beats you 99.99% of the time. HU would be different, but calling down here IMO loses $.
hicherbie
09-12-2005, 05:44 PM
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Both BB and MP3 are LAGs. Do you always expect a LAG to have a 7 if he is raising the turn? I think I call this hand down.
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SBs play is supposed to be decent, so im assuming hes not semi-bluff raising the turn after calling the flop. The best we can hope for here is that he has AQ. If has a monster, then getting sandwiched between him and the lag is going to suck.
that being said, its painful to lay AA down here. i would feel better if i had shown more agg earlier...
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[that being said, its painful to lay AA down here. i would feel better if i had shown more agg earlier...
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I agree you have to three bet the flop, makes folding this turn a lot less painful.
The only hands that beat you on this turn are sets or trips. I'm not folding aces with this board to a LAGgy raise. If you do it often, they are going to run you over.
Mr. Curious
09-12-2005, 06:34 PM
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Live $12/24 game
9 Handed
BB has been riding one hell of a lucky streak. He's loose and aggressive and will chase postflop.
MP3 has a horseshoe up his butt. Miracle cards have been dropping like flies for him and he has been running over the table. He's loose and aggressive, but decent post flop.
Hero is in the CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gifA/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Preflop: UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls
Flop: 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Pot: (10 SB)
On the flop, BB looks like he is hyperventilating and last time he acted this way, he showed down a strong hand. He looks at me like he is begging me to bet so he can check raise.
It is checked around to me and I bet (I know there are draws out there, but would it be safer to check based on BB's behavior and protect my hand on the turn instead?).
Button folds, BB raises, MP1 folds, MP3 calls two cold, I call.
Turn: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif [5/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/heart.gif] (3 players)
Pot: (8 BB)
BB bets, MP3 raises, Hero folds...
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What hand does a decent postflop player hold that allows him to call two bets cold on the flop, not 3-bet when the moment arises, and not bet out himself to get me to raise to thin the field?
If this was heads up against the BB, then I would have 3-bet, but MP3's actions were too suspicious for me to put in the third bet. I think that he would bet out with a 5 or over pair and he would have 3-bet with a flush draw. That leaves him with a limited holding that most likely includes a 7. I called on the flop because I was closing the action and had implied odds to either hit the backdoor flush draw or spike an A.
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What hand does a decent postflop player hold that allows him to call two bets cold on the flop, not 3-bet when the moment arises, and not bet out himself to get me to raise to thin the field?
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1. He can have Qx of spades, PP.
2. Bet out himself - he never got a chance, he raised instead to get you off the hand.
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