No desire to venture into the $50's.

[EnderFFX]

I'm taking a different route playing SnG. I'm not trying to see how high an entry fee I can play, I'm trying to see how many tables I can successfully play.

My first goal was to see if I could 8 table the 10's up to $1,000, I have done that. I am now 8 tabling the 20's and am doing pretty good. I just grabbed an old monitor from my house so I will be able to 12 table soon. For those who have gone from 8 to 12 tables, was it that much harder? I had a tiny bit of trouble going from 4 to 8, until I forced myself to slow down and chill.

My ultimate goal is to 16 table the 30's. I have no real desire to hit the 50's. (this may change down the road of course)

[Maulik]

best bet, PM raptor517 or spoon him.

[EnderFFX]

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best bet, PM raptor517 or spoon him.

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I have...

PM'd him that is, I was hoping for someone more my level to answer /images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm not a great player, but I've played at least 4,000-5,000 tourneys with a positive ROI and I'm enjoying the 8 tabling of the 20's. I've gotten to the point where I'm becoming more aware, not making hasty calls/raises without confirming everyone's chip stack, position, etc.

I'm looking for success stories and failure stories from my people of my like ability.

[ayecappy]

actually i thinks would be very valuable if the games dry out like stated in those miller/schoon articles. Any thoughts?

[KramerTM]

Ender:

What hourly rate are you hitting if you only count your results 8-tabling at the 22s? I think this is an interesting idea, and am starting to seriously doubt if I'll ever have the skill/moxie to grind it out at the 110s or 215s.

[raptor517]

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actually i thinks would be very valuable if the games dry out like stated in those miller/schoon articles. Any thoughts?

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obviously i have thought of this as well, hence my 20 tabling 22s escapade. i wanted to ensure i could make 100/hr somewhere at low stakes. well, its as good as done. boring, but doable. holla

[sng-sam]

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or spoon him.

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http://www.re-title.com/public/artists/908/1/Spooning-r_2.jpg

The spoons position: (also spoon position, spooning) is a popular sexual position. The name derives from the way that two spoons may be positioned side by side, with their bowls aligned.

I'm not sure Raptor is into this but I could be wrong.

Straight Flushes,

SAM

[1C5]

I am currently 8 tabling the 22s also, only have 2 monitors now though but my get a 3rd and 4th eventually to 12 or 16 table them if I find I enjoy it more than moving to the 55s or 109s.

$100/hour like this with lower variance would be fine by me.

[sng-sam]

So is this the start of a new era? This is a really interesting debate. I'm going to start a poll. If I can figure out how to do that thingy

Straight Flushes,

SAM

[EnderFFX]

Ok, I consider myself between a 10-20% roi player, so i'll do both of the numbers.

$22 = 2.20 - 4.40 per tourney.
8 tabling = $17.60 - $35.20 per set, a set lasts 45-50 minutes, so approximately $20-$40 per hour.

My ROI has been ridiculous this month and I'm pushing closer to $60 per hour, but last month I had a downswing at the beginning of the month that didn't turn positive till the 15th. (25 buy in drop)

So, 16 tabling, that puts it at $40-$80 an hour, and then switch to the 30's and that puts you at $60-$120 an hour.

Ridiculous, if you can do it! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

However, tilting, disconnections, and human error now greatly affect ROI. Imagine 16 tabling the $30's and having your service go out for 30 minutes?? Plus, what percentage of people can actually 12-16 table? I'm wondering if my limits will be reached at 12 tables.

[MegaBet]

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So is this the start of a new era?

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No.

[raptor517]

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So is this the start of a new era?

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No.

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i agree. most people cant keep up with 12 tables, much less 20. too easy to miss things, get overwhelmed with all the choices, time out, get lost, and cost yerself a lot of ev. holla

[KramerTM]

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So is this the start of a new era?

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No.

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i agree. most people cant keep up with 12 tables, much less 20. too easy to miss things, get overwhelmed with all the choices, time out, get lost, and cost yerself a lot of ev. holla

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None of which, I assume, happens to you? yell loudly

[raptor517]

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So is this the start of a new era?

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No.

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i agree. most people cant keep up with 12 tables, much less 20. too easy to miss things, get overwhelmed with all the choices, time out, get lost, and cost yerself a lot of ev. holla

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None of which, I assume, happens to you? yell loudly

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mm, not really. if i had a better computer i would play more tables, but the slowdown really sucks. im used to averaging 100 clicks per second from videogames, so its not too hard on me. just gotta keep a high level of attention going at all times and its cake. holla

[1C5]

I agree, I used to play video games and 8 tables is a joke after doing it for awhile, now I am watching tv more than playing. Only thing that keeps me from 12 now is no monitor.

[KramerTM]

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im used to averaging 100 clicks per second from videogames, so its not too hard on me.

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Man, the things you could do to a woman.

[MegaBet]

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im used to averaging 100 clicks per second from videogames, so its not too hard on me.

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Man, the things you could do to a woman.

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lol, don't confuse the kid.

[gisb0rne]

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im used to averaging 100 clicks per second from videogames

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You use that skill to refresh the PP lobby? I only manage 5 clicks/second so it usually takes a good 10 seconds before it updates properly.

[The Don]

If you are better at poker and have more knowledge of the SNG structure than the other players at high stakes then you will beat them. If you are not confident that you can achieve this then just keep adding tables at the low stakes where there will always be donks. I personally don't think the 55s are difficult at all. Sure there are not many donks and more players know the structure but this does not make them good at poker in my book.

[MegaBet]

You can expect to see at least 2 or 3 donks per table at the $55s.

[The Don]

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Ok, I consider myself between a 10-20% roi player, so i'll do both of the numbers.

$22 = 2.20 - 4.40 per tourney.
8 tabling = $17.60 - $35.20 per set, a set lasts 45-50 minutes, so approximately $20-$40 per hour.

My ROI has been ridiculous this month and I'm pushing closer to $60 per hour, but last month I had a downswing at the beginning of the month that didn't turn positive till the 15th. (25 buy in drop)

So, 16 tabling, that puts it at $40-$80 an hour, and then switch to the 30's and that puts you at $60-$120 an hour.

Ridiculous, if you can do it! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

However, tilting, disconnections, and human error now greatly affect ROI. Imagine 16 tabling the $30's and having your service go out for 30 minutes?? Plus, what percentage of people can actually 12-16 table? I'm wondering if my limits will be reached at 12 tables.

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Don't think you will make twice as much at the 33s. There seems to be a way better knowledge of the structure there and the stacks are too shallow to take much advantage of any superior poker ability you may have.

[MegaBet]

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So, 16 tabling, that puts it at $40-$80 an hour, and then switch to the 30's and that puts you at $60-$120 an hour.


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I couldn't put myself through that for such meager returns.

[The Don]

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You can expect to see at least 2 or 3 donks per table at the $55s.

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I think we have a different definition of donk. I know there are 2 or 3 legitimately bad players at the 55s but the "donks" I am referring to are players that have almost no chance to make the money and are just spewing chips everywhere. I rarely see these types at the 55s. Play a few 22s or 11s and you will get the idea.

[MegaBet]

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You can expect to see at least 2 or 3 donks per table at the $55s.

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I think we have a different definition of donk. I know there are 2 or 3 legitimately bad players at the 55s but the "donks" I am referring to are players that have almost no chance to make the money and are just spewing chips everywhere. I rarely see these types at the 55s. Play a few 22s or 11s and you will get the idea.

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I call them complete donks /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ogre]

you are just scared of the 50s. stop being such a pussy and play some

[Bluff Daddy]

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So is this the start of a new era?

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No.

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i agree. most people cant keep up with 12 tables, much less 20. too easy to miss things, get overwhelmed with all the choices, time out, get lost, and cost yerself a lot of ev. holla

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None of which, I assume, happens to you? yell loudly

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mm, not really. if i had a better computer i would play more tables, but the slowdown really sucks. im used to averaging 100 clicks per second from videogames, so its not too hard on me. just gotta keep a high level of attention going at all times and its cake. holla

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at how many tables does it start to slow down, my computers not that good but it handles 8 fine with winamp, firefox, sng tracker and other things running?

[Isura]

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So, 16 tabling, that puts it at $40-$80 an hour, and then switch to the 30's and that puts you at $60-$120 an hour.


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I couldn't put myself through that for such meager returns.

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Yup.

[MegaBet]

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you are just scared of the 50s. stop being such a pussy and play some

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lol, I hope you don't mean me!

[Mr_J]

"a set lasts 45-50 minutes"

There's no way you can average that sort of time.

"So, 16 tabling, that puts it at $40-$80 an hour, and then switch to the 30's and that puts you at $60-$120 an hour. "

16 tabling won't see a 100% increase in profit from 8tabling. You also won't get a 50% gain jumping to the $33s.

Say your true EV is 15% at the 22s, I don't think you'll make more than $75 16 tabling the $33s. You could make as much 8tabling the $55s continuously at 10% ROI.