implied odds

[urbanati]

Do you ever call this bet? Do you ever draw or bluff on 4 outs???
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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Hero ($49.50)
UTG ($68.38)
MP ($53.40)
CO ($34.76)
Button ($97.15)
SB ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, MP calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($16.25) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $8</font>, MP folds, Button calls $8, Hero folds.

Turn: ($32.25) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $15</font>, Button calls $15.

River: ($62.25) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $107.25

[Rooger]

Draw, no. Bluff, rarely - in certain instances if I feel my opponent is on a club draw. You must be ready to pot / push a non-club turn, and never do this against 2 opponents.

You don't have the implied odds to draw for the straight. If you don't hit the turn, you probably have to fold to a bet - so you can't expect to see both turn &amp; river for a call, which gives you 8% to hit the straight on the turn. You need to stack both opponents everytime you do this, to have correct odds, which you won't do.

[theben]

i dont draw on 4 outs for that bet.

[DoomSlice]

I'd say you've probably got about 7 outs.

[djoyce003]

if the stacks were deeper, and I thought any of my J or 10 outs were good AND this was headsup I might consider a call here. Headsup you could actually have 4 straight outs, 6 possible j or 10 outs, and some bluffing outs on clubs, if your opponent has the capability to fold. In a multi-way pot though, there is too much chance that someone has a club draw so you don't have outs there, and that limits your gutshot outs to 3 instead of 4. Pretty easy fold multi-way.

[urbanati]

Thank you for the replies.
I never call this although this time I considered to give a chance an eight...