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TheRempel
09-10-2005, 09:40 PM
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BB ($16.90)
UTG ($25.75)
UTG+1 ($63.15)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($11.10)</font>
MP2 ($41.45)
<font color="#C00000">MP3 ($16.05)</font>
CO ($44)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($409.25)</font>
<font color="#C00000">SB ($105.55)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2.25, MP1 calls $2.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $16.05</font>, Hero calls $13.30, SB calls $13.30, BB folds, MP1 calls $8.35 (All-In).

Flop: ($62) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($62) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $15</font>, Hero ?.</font>

SB is a calling station, doesn't seem to understand the game. (He bets with hands like TJQK on 444T5 boards, and he's not bluffing).
MP3 is a habitual shot taker.

What's your turn action?

09-11-2005, 05:25 AM
I post the following in hope that someone will explain what's wrong with it:

You're 40/60 against a random hand, which means you're almost certainly a dog on the side pot.

You have almost no shot at the main pot unless a club, 5h or 4 comes, and the club will be no good at least 60% of the time. You probably have less than 20% equity in the main pot, but you have at least 10% thanks to the 4 nut outs that may come on the river.

Given the fact that you're probably a dog against SB and he'll call anything there's little incentive to raise.

I would call and see the river.

If a 4 or 5h comes I'll try to get him all-in. If a club or 5d comes and he checks I'll put in a $30 bet. If he bets a club/5d I'll smooth call.

Does he bluff at rivers here? If not, I fold to any sizable bet when i miss the river. If you miss you have next to zero chance at the main pot and maybe 1/6 at best of winning the side pot, so I'd be inclined to fold to even a $10 bet.

TheRempel
09-11-2005, 06:24 AM
He doesn't bluff, he occasionally bets weak hands believing they are still good and he has shown a propensity to call largish bets on the river with weak two pair hands and top pair good kicker. He is essentially a HE player. He is very unlikely to be bluffing here and will call any raise. Raising is out of the question.

TheRempel
09-11-2005, 06:26 AM
He also doesn't bet draws.

TheRempel
09-12-2005, 02:39 PM
Not that anyone cares, but the river was a brick and the calling station took it down with 83. My clubs were dead, but the CS would likely call a value bet here, so I think calling is a break even play. Raising was never an option.