KQs against unknown - river donk. 6max

[GoblinMason (Craig)]

Opponent just sat down this orbit. Haven't noticed him so far.

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BB ($369.44)
Hero ($419.90)
Button ($365.20)
SB ($296.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB (poster) calls $12, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($32) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, SB calls $20.

Turn: ($72) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, SB calls $55.

River: ($182) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $181</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $363

-Craig

[captZEEbo1]

only hand you're really behind is like A9 I'd assume, MAYBE AK? weird spot. You had the draw on the flop, so I don't really know what is going on in this hand. A/images/graemlins/heart.gif8/images/graemlins/heart.gif is possible too I guess. This is really weird though.

[Heimdal]

I would check the turn. There are no draws to charge and getting checkraised is not fun

I'll fold against an unknown... wierd spot I'll say it's a bluff fair % of the time here. I'll put him on a9/a8 though and fold. looks like he got lucky and wants to get paid off.

[vanHelsing]

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I would check the turn. There are no draws to charge and getting checkraised is not fun

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[DonButtons]

looks like a easy laydown?

Ive seen this a lot, either big monster hoping you hit your ace and that you were bluffing on flop/turn, or he hit his Ace with Ahxh on the river making it look like a big bluff.

[gol4pro]

Weird spot... but checking the turn is awful.

Personally, I'm trying to get the money in fast here, so as a small gear-shift, I'll overbet this flop quite often trying to represent QQ/JJ trying to push someone off Kx. You'd be amazed how often Kx falls for it at my 2/4 game.

Pot the turn, and this is a good river fold.

[JooWish622]

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I would check the turn. There are no draws to charge and getting checkraised is not fun

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are you kidding?

[Allinlife]

no

[creedofhubris]

You played this fine.

[iceman5]

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Weird spot... but checking the turn is awful.

Personally, I'm trying to get the money in fast here, so as a small gear-shift, I'll overbet this flop quite often trying to represent QQ/JJ trying to push someone off Kx. You'd be amazed how often Kx falls for it at my 2/4 game.

Pot the turn, and this is a good river fold.

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I love how people say "check the turn" and then other people say "checking the turn is aweful". And both of them say it as if its the definitively correct play. Clearly they both cant be correct.

I just read another thread where people are saying "no way to fold there" and others are saying "crystal clear fold". Amazing.

[BobboFitos]

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I just read another thread where people are saying "no way to fold there" and others are saying "crystal clear fold". Amazing.

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If this is the thread Ithink it is, it's only because half the people are sarcastic and the other half are serious. (So they really do agree)

In this thread I think both views can be correct... Most cases this is a "standard' check given you have a good draw and a decent made hand, but if all the money goes in on the turn the made hand matters not and you dont have odds for the draw. However, given it's 4 handed and whatnot alot of times I'd slip a value bet here...

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Clearly they both cant be correct.


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what im trying to say is maybe they are

[ahnuld]

My two cents, checking the turn is better.

Anyways I fold this river pretty fast without a read. Looks like he was slowplaying and was afraid ace would scare you from betting, or the A helped him.