$55 - T9h in the SB. Flop gutshot straight flush draw....

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Had planned to checkraise the flop, when this happened. I have to call here, right?

***** Hand History for Game 2678616168 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:15568105 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, September 08, 21:24:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 14038 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: T_Money23 ( $3140 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $1185 )
Seat 1: alshirley ( $725 )
Seat 5: wilt1222 ( $455 )
Seat 2: MrCreel ( $797 )
Seat 10: max199 ( $1135 )
Seat 8: SG_Std ( $765 )
Seat 4: TomPhoolery ( $1028 )
Seat 3: lwade22 ( $770 )
Trny:15568105 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ 9h Th ]
alshirley folds.
MrCreel folds.
lwade22 folds.
TomPhoolery folds.
wilt1222 calls [50].
T_Money23 calls [50].
SG_Std calls [50].
xyrophobic calls [25].
max199 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 6h, Kc ]
xyrophobic checks.
max199 checks.
wilt1222 bets [100].
T_Money23 folds.
SG_Std is all-In [715]
xyrophobic ???

[citanul]

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Had planned to checkraise the flop, when this happened. I have to call here, right?

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huh? why? what? where? who?

citanul

ps: pay more attention to the 2nd and 3rd above. perhaps in a "What? Why? What? Why?" iteration.

[octaveshift]

If I have the math right, I am getting 1:1 on the 980 in the pot, and I am 1.2:1 to make my hand.

[octaveshift]

Well, worst case scenario, I am making the 55s nice and soft for you all.

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If I have the math right, I am getting 1:1 on the 980 in the pot, and I am 1.2:1 to make my hand.

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Umm.. how are you getting 1:1. I think you've gotten yourself confused.

[octaveshift]

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If I have the math right, I am getting 1:1 on the 980 in the pot, and I am 1.2:1 to make my hand.

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Umm.. how are you getting 1:1. I think you've gotten yourself confused.

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Sorry. 1015 in the pot, 815 to call.

So, roughly 1.2:1 pot odds.

If I am on crack, please let me know.

[octaveshift]

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Had planned to checkraise the flop, when this happened. I have to call here, right?

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huh? why? what? where? who?

citanul

ps: pay more attention to the 2nd and 3rd above. perhaps in a "What? Why? What? Why?" iteration.

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Just so you know, I am trying to work this out in my head, and not just waiting for a response to be handed to me. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Is my flaw in thinking that I am 1.2:1 AGAINST making my hand?

I thought the math was pretty much right on... And doubling up increases my chances of finishing ITM enough that it's worth it.

I suck.

[Newt_Buggs]

I'm not 100% sure beacuse I haven't look at all of the math, but I'm thinking that your outs won't always be good so I'de fold.

[durron597]

Fold, you are up againt the nut flush draw too often to make this correct.

Edit: what I meant to say was "you are up against hands that you aren't mathematically getting the right odds often enough" to make it correct, the nut flush draw is just the most common in that range (IMO).

[citanul]

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Fold, you are up againt the nut flush draw too often to make this correct.

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dur,

newt's answer is more correct than yours, though yours is very close. it's not just the nut flush draw, it's all the bigger flush draws. it's the sets, and it's the fact that you aren't closing the action. it's all these things.

i mean, i haven't done the math, but i'm willing to trust the op that if he could see his opps cards, be sure he would wind up facing exactly one of them, and know that his outs were all clean, then i'll trust that his math says it's a call. however each part of that line of reasoning is not true.

that second paragraph is more aimed at the op than dur. the first one was for dur.

citanul