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Roland32

09-08-2005, 04:34 PM

I used to fold this but after being told numerous times on this forum that it was a leak, I know fold this. I play the 27 on PS the point of this post is look at the ranges of hands here. Are you sure I am not giving up alot of value here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t1500)
Hero (t1470)
MP2 (t1620)
MP3 (t2270)
CO (t690)
Button (t1450)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1480)
UTG (t1540)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 raises to t80, 3 folds, CO calls t80, 3 folds, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t270) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t200, CO folds, UTG calls t200.

Turn: (t670) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t540, UTG raises to t1260, UTG+1 calls t680 (All-In).

River: (t3150) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3150

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qh Ts (straight, ace high).
UTG+1 has Ac 5s (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins t3150.

bones

09-08-2005, 04:55 PM

Don't overcall a raise with AJo. I don't care if the flop comes AJJ from now until the second coming. It's a bad play.

Editing out frustration. Sorry. I'll take a shot at a helpful post in a moment.

09-08-2005, 05:03 PM

Curious as to why this thread would be locked??

applejuicekid

09-08-2005, 05:14 PM

Always call with AJ when the flop will be AAJ.

bones

09-08-2005, 05:17 PM

Disregard the flop and result. Obviously it's irrelevant to the question of whether or not calling with AJ is a solid play.

The hands that were shown are pretty typical of bad players at this limit. The problem is that AJo is in real bad shape against the hands a lot of raising hands (and all of the raising hands of a good player). You're going to be put in an awkward position when an ace comes with 2 players in a raised pot since you will often be outkicked, not to mention facing an overpair if you make top pair with your J. With very thin straight and flush possibilities, you're almost always looking at making a little or losing a lot.

With people who play QT and A5 for a raise, you're always going to have opportunities to get action on your big hands. Just wait for them and punish these clowns when you get it.

AliasMrJones

09-08-2005, 05:23 PM

One hand does not a long-term strategy make.

Easiest fold ever.

AtticusFinch

09-08-2005, 06:02 PM

I fold this so fast the cards make a sonic boom on the way to the muck.

By the way, most of the time if you hold AJ on that flop you'll get 0 action.

durron597

09-08-2005, 06:08 PM

What all the responders are missing is what the original raiser raised with here. The important thing to get out of this hand is a note on this guy and make sure to play as many STTs as possible with him from now on.

AtticusFinch

09-08-2005, 06:10 PM

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What all the responders are missing is what the original raiser raised with here. The important thing to get out of this hand is a note on this guy and make sure to play as many STTs as possible with him from now on.

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There are so many of those guys at that limit you're better off following Lori's advice: only note the good players. Start off with the assumption that everyone at your table without a note is a donk. And don't sit down with any players WITH notes.

stanzee

09-08-2005, 06:25 PM

AJ is a good hand. Definitely worth seeing a flop here for a small price... I mean what is ahead of you here?? AK and AQ.. what are the chances he has either of these? most the time these low limit idiots are raising with hands like AT or KJ which you'll have out kickered. If they're raising with a small pairs, then there is a chance you'll be able to scare them off on the flop.

I say call the preflop bet (or even re-raising isnt awful as you'll take control of the flop) then play the rest by instincts. If you wanna be successful you can't afford to throw away hands like these especially when the flop comes AJJ /images/graemlins/laugh.gif