TT hand level 1

[schwza]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t845)
BB (t770)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t900)
UTG+2 (t815)
Hero (t770)
MP2 (t890)
MP3 (t770)
CO (t700)
Button (t740)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises to t100</font>, Hero calls t100, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: (t240) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t670 (All-In)</font>,

no reads. this did not feel like a very good line, but i didn't know of a better way to play it.

[Unarmed]

Totally standard.

[45suited]

I would have folded pre-flop. However, given that you called his PF raise, of course I like your flop push. No point calling the PF raise if you're not pushing that flop.

Questionable call preflop but like the push on the flop. Why such a big raise preflop? Doesn't sound like a big premium pair. Sounds like a strong but vulnerable hand. Maybe JJ but likely just overcards.

[nyc999]

I like it. It feels like a continuation bet from the villain. What level buy-in?

[schwza]

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I like it. It feels like a continuation bet from the villain. What level buy-in?

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33

[schwza]

here was my problem with the line. villain will call his pairs (usually bigger) and toss his overs.

assume villain's range is 88+, AJ+ (i think 88 and AJ are pretty aggro raises here, but i include to help account for the occasional A5o, 33, etc. that you sometimes see). also assume he bets any hand, folds overs, and calls any pair.

then he calls 88-99 12 times (loses 11), JJ+ 24 times (loses 2), and folds AJ+ 48 times. for the whole hand, i win (ignoring blinds, assuming t800 stack)

1+22 = 23 times: -800
2+11 = 13: +800
48: +200

-8000 + 9600 = 1600 profit / 84 hands ~= T20 / hand. so my EV on a rag flop is about T20. i don't want that given the risk of going broke. on a flop with an over, it's got to be a lot worse.

so should i have folded pre-flop? is my range for villain too tight?

Would you raise 7XBB with AA or KK?

[schwza]

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Would you raise 7XBB with AA or KK?

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i wouldn't raise 7x with anything.

[fnord_too]

There is only one other line I see, and that is folding pre flop. Only 4 hands (well, 24 combinations of cards) are favored over you pre flop so if calling is wrong, it is not wrong by much. I play the hand the same way and you are ahead of the range of the large majority of players on the flop. nh.

[mlagoo]

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I would have folded pre-flop. However, given that you called his PF raise, of course I like your flop push. No point calling the PF raise if you're not pushing that flop.

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I agree with this.

I wonder if another line is raising it to t250-300 or so and calling a reraise. This gets you value you from an overplayed AK but ends up with the same result against overpairs that beat you.

Only problem is when he flatcalls and a king turns or something. =/.

Seems like your either way ahead or way behind here, maybe one possible alternative line would be to raise the flop bet to 250 or 275 in order to take it away if this is a mere continuation bet with AK or AQ. Then if he moves in, you give yourself a bit of an escape hatch. If you're certain your beaten, you can try to build back up from 400 ish in chips. Given Party's structure, I would probably have to pay if off and hope to see a flush draw, AK, or a lower pocket pair than 10's that has not tripped up, or even A6 (but I play the 11's and occasional 22's, so I don't know if the players are this bad at 33s.)

[Fatdogs12]

lol you are at the 10/15 blinds, this is a no brainer fold to me... do I maybe have no brain? Why get mixed up this early with a hand like this esp. when a raise this big is probably nursing a real nice hand like AA,KK,QQ or possibly JJ. Maybe he would raise this with AK i dunno depends on what price point you are playing at.

[mlagoo]

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lol you are at the 10/15 blinds, this is a no brainer fold to me... do I maybe have no brain? Why get mixed up this early with a hand like this esp. when a raise this big is probably nursing a real nice hand like AA,KK,QQ or possibly JJ. Maybe he would raise this with AK i dunno depends on what price point you are playing at.

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Assuming that a big raise signifies a big hand is... well, just generally wrong.

[bennies]

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Only 4 hands (well, 24 combinations of cards) are favored over you pre flop so if calling is wrong, it is not wrong by much. I play the hand the same way and you are ahead of the range of the large majority of players on the flop. nh.

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However, there are also 96 more combinations of overcards that are only a slight dog to TT. That makes it 120 combinations in total, and Villain says he has one of them. (Sure, he could also have 55-99 and a few low suited connectors, but this makes it only about 40 combinations that we crush.)

By the way, we don't close the action preflop, there are 7 to act behind us...


I fold this preflop. I suppose if you are a good post flop player this can become a +EV call, personally, I would have a hard time knowing what to do if flop comes with an overcard and villain bets...