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Play Tight
04-25-2003, 02:10 PM
First let me start by saying that I play in Colorado where the "limited stakes" rule states that you cannot bet or raise more then $5. My regular game is $2 - $5 with an equal split of regulars and "tourist."
It seems that over the last year or so money means nothing to many of these players. They will call everything and most of the time raise with nothing. This is putting tremendous swings in my earnings/loses. I play the same tight/conservitive game I always have but seem to be riding a roller coaster.

Over the course of the last week I have played 4 times. Two winning nights of approx. $850 total and two losing nights of approx. $450. (When its not working for me I get up and leave, sometimes a couple of hands after I should of but thats everyone's story right?)

I am not the type of player who expects high pocket pairs to win everyhand but here is an example of the calling stations I ran into last night. In the blind I have pocket Aces, raise max bet and have 5 callers. Flop is Ace King 3 (two clubs) I check, and its 3 bets for me to call I raise and no one drops. Turn another club so I bet to see where everyone is. Everyone calls. River is another club! Betting gets crazy I drop, of course two players have flushes the duece and the three. The three takes down the pot. This guy smooth called $20 on the flop with a pair of 3's not to mention the pre-flop raise I put in with his Jack 3 offsuit. I cannot count how many times I was beaten runner runner two pair or flush when the player had no biz in the hand to begin with.

Maybe its just me; a little upset after a night of bad beats but has anyone else noticed how loose the games have gotten lately? I am sure if we (tight players) can overcome the roller coaster effect we will profit long term, but the swings are killing my enjoyment of the game. One day I'm the happiest guy in the world the next I want to kick an old lady. I really wonder with Poker showing up on TV more often now if its bringing out more people and possibly ruining the game? If I get told by some smiling from ear to ear SOB "See ya at the river" one more time I might just shoot them.

MRBAA
04-25-2003, 02:26 PM
Hmmm. You're up $400 in four sessions of 2-5. Let's say your average session is five hours. So that would be, let me see now, an average of +4bb/hour for those four sessions?

In very loose games, it pays to play more draws, play even high pairs as draws, expect to win fewer pots, but win bigger pots when you do win. But you probably know all this. Given that you are pummelling these games, I don't understand what you complaint is.

Jeffro
04-25-2003, 03:01 PM
I've been playing mostly online 2-4 through 5-10 on paradise, decided last week to take the hour and a half ride to the casino to play some live cards. Lost about 35 BB in about 4 hours. We never had less then 6 players see a flop, went many times 9, with me the loan folder. These players could have cared less if I raised, checked-raised, folded. As long as they had two cards they were seeing the river. In the long run I knew I could tear this game apart. You have to be able to handle even larger swings in these types of games. They are going to suck out, but when you hit they will pay you like there is no tommorrow. After I take one of these beatings I read Zen and it makes me remember I'm making the right decisions. I think bringing new players to the game will not ruin it, you just need to understand they will call with the worst of it and many times beat you.

Jeffro
04-25-2003, 03:18 PM
Using your numbers you posted a $800 dollar win over four sessions, would you have rather posted a $400 win and won every session. Mason has a great essay on "your not going to win every session". I know if I'm sitting at a paradise table with 4 solid players, two fish, and 3 unknowns, I'm not taking down a 40BB session unless the deck is clobbering me.

rharless
04-25-2003, 03:32 PM
Anyone who plays four sessions of $2-$5 and is up $400 has every right to feel good. The suckers need to win sometimes, else no one will be there to pay you off when you are running well. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

That said, I have run into looser players lately. You know that it's bad when two players have been betting/raising each other on every street and then on the river, one bets and one calls; the first one says "i have nothing", the second one says "i have a jack" (board is AK824r) and the other player says "what is your kicker?" /forums/images/icons/grin.gif (The 9 kicker won.)

ElSapo
04-25-2003, 03:32 PM
Which essay is this? I'm thinking I need to read this one...

Bob T.
04-25-2003, 05:13 PM
So you only won 80 big bets this week. Brutal.

Oh yeah, what was your question /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif ?

Louie Landale
04-25-2003, 05:51 PM
What a bunch of great responses. You apparently would prefer to win 2bb/hour comfortably and predictably than 4bb/hour on a roller coaster. Now I'm not being sarcastic here, but no matter how good the arguments are for the 4bb/hour roller-coaster (and they are good arguments), YOU are not comfortable with it; and that uncomfortableness is distracting and costing you money.

So lets try to get more comfortable on the roller coaster: Take some seed money, lets say $500, and put it in your left breast pocket. In your right breast pocket is your real bankroll. Buy in with your real bankroll. When you cash-out a winner, take half the winnings and put it in your left breast pocket. Likewise take half your losses OUT of your left breast pocket.

Do not count your left breast pocket. Now you are winning and losing half what you were. That should make you comfortable. You will also feel comfortable, VERY comfortable, when you finally DO count your left breast pocket.

- Louie