Defense!

[blumpkin22]

Villain had completed 100% when I had the bring-in and it was folded to him.

7 Card Stud High ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (hand converter (http://www.geocities.com/greenage22/7StudConverter.hta.txt))

3rd Street - (0.50 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx K/images/graemlins/spade.gif___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/spade.gif___completes___raises___calls
Hero: J/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___brings-in___raises___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds

4th Street - (8.50 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds
Hero: J/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets

Total pot: 8.50 SB

[preiserone]

I like the play, gotta make them pay when they get out of line with moves like that. It is sometimes better to just wait for a hand and punish him there but if your sure he'll fold to the right amount of aggression go right ahead.

[BTirish]

I like it. I do the same kind of stuff myself when a certain opponent needs it. I love it when they fold to my bringin the next time /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Roland]

How did you know you had ten outs? But you have some heart.
Nice hand.

Looks foolish to me, but what do I know. Even if you think someone else is stealing, it is quite often cheaper to let it go than to defend it, and what are you defending it with. Granted, he is in position to have nothing, but so do you. The fact that you won it is not the point. The point is that it looks to be an unprofitable play. And if he has something, look at all the wasted money. But that's just my opinion. So far the peanuts have spoken differently. I say choose your battles wisely and you'll live to fight another day.

[Bartholow]

It's a tightly structured game, you have a deuce and 2 dead cards. Sounds like an easy fold to me.

I thought I played back at people more than most here, but it just feels like your only equity here is fold equity...

[blumpkin22]

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I thought I played back at people more than most here, but it just feels like your only equity here is fold equity...

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Yes. It doesn't matter what my cards are here; it only matters what his are. Although having a jack helps. Keep in mind that he would raise with any three cards.

[BeerMoney]

Would you have posted this if things didn't work out?

You're running good, and when you're running good, things work out. I like the play given the dead cards and such, but you might want to take your stand when you actually have something. I say this because some people will get into a pissing contest with you, and that's not what you want. Your opponent still has to be able to get away from a crap hand.

[Bartholow]

Yeah, but an awful lot of those "any 3 card" hands are ahead of you here. I assure you that I understand the concept, I just don't think it's worth it in a game structured this way.

[blumpkin22]

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Yeah, but an awful lot of those "any 3 card" hands are ahead of you here.

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Meaning if he has a pair or an ace he's beating me?

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I assure you that I understand the concept, I just don't think it's worth it in a game structured this way.

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Is it worth it to steal the blinds/bring in when you are in his spot with any three cards? Would it be worth it if he never tried to steal against you again?

[Bartholow]

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Meaning if he has a pair or an ace he's beating me?

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Also a hand like Qs Js 3s (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1208262 ) OR Qs Js Tc (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1208271) . Those two have nearly identical 60% equity vs. you. Dead cards are BAD, and you have 2 dead plus a deuce. Now add in ALL the hands with an ace, all the hands with a pair, even the unlikely KJx where x is bigger than your deuce. Even QJ8 rainbow (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1208274) or J87 rainbow (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1208276) are beating you in equity! Someone with PokerProbe or something similar want to run a sim of this hand with these dead cards vs all possible hands? You're basically NEVER far ahead (53% vs J53 rainbow (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1208287), his worst possible live hand) and you can be quite far behind.

Jon, we need that stud stove!

I'll concede that if doing this makes him NEVER steal vs. you again, it's worth it /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[Bartholow]

Also, the type of player who steals every opportunity is not the sort who folds right away when caught stealing. So your fold equity is often not great. Maybe you have a rock image, but it wouldn't work for me /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[grb137]

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It's a tightly structured game, you have a deuce and 2 dead cards. Sounds like an easy fold to me.

I thought I played back at people more than most here, but it just feels like your only equity here is fold equity...

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Agree. Simply ain't worth the effort.

[grb137]

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Is it worth it to steal the blinds/bring in when you are in his spot with any three cards?

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I don't believe so.

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Would it be worth it if he never tried to steal against you again?

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Again, I don't think so. The blinds and antes aren't worth fighting over. The reason to steal blinds, in my opinion, is to prevent your stack from steadily dwindling. Ante/BI of this structure is not going to cause that, so you wanna save your cash for those times when you have a playable hand.

JMHO.