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09-07-2005, 04:55 PM
4-8 Cherokee Casino in Oklahoma. This card room, like several of its neighbors, doesn't have a cap if you're heads up at the start of a particular street. It also allows you to push all in after the street's been bet, raised and reraised.

Table is mostly awful players. Flops are usually 5-8 players on this 9 handed game. There's only a raise about 1/3 of the time. Villian, a TAG by this cardroom's standards is in the BB. He had a tendency to take some hands too far but raises on the big streets usually mean he's got a solid hand. He is tilting a bit. He won't raise preflop with hands such as AQs; I'm not sure how he handles pairs.

I am UTG with 33. I call. 4 callers, sb completes and Villian checks. Flop comes up T83 rainbow. Sb checks, Villian bets. I call, we get three other callers. Turn is a six, completing the rainbow. Villian bets, I raise, folds back to him. He calls. River is a second six. He bets, I raise, he thinks for a few seconds and reraises. I go into the tank and think about this: He's got somewhere between 3-5 BB left. I don't think he knows about the all-in rule, so I could always just reraise him and pay off the 5-bet. What do I do here?

TheHammer24
09-07-2005, 05:02 PM
I really have never heard of an all-in rule. Right now I think you are ahead most of the time. Villian is unlikely to be helped by the six unless he has TT or 88, which is unlikely as I think he would have been more aggressive earlier. So the pot is pretty large right now and villian has about 6 BB left. It's been, bet by him, raised by you and, reraised back to you. Assuming you are ahead, you need to figure out the percentage of the time he will call all in for 6 BB's and multiply that by 6. The percentage of the time he will call your 4-bet, and the percentage of the time he will 5-Bet. And finally subtract the time you lose when the pot is all in, 4-bet, 5-bet, etc. Personally, if the pot is huge and you are very likely ahead I would just push all in, but again, I have never applied this rule to a limit game.

09-07-2005, 05:13 PM
Yeah it's a crazy rule. Applies at Harrah's, too, at least in Kansas City. My thinking for not four-betting here was he probably wouldn't call me with less than trips or a full house. And the way this played out, I can't see him having a six, unless he has quads. However, I might be able to make a stronger argument for an all-in, as it looks more like I'm bullying, overplaying my two pair that was counterfeited or a KK or AA.