Gutshot hand

[haakee]

Fairly loose 8-16 1/2 kill game. My image (if anybody's paying attention) is very tight. I haven't won a hand in over an hour. I get Q /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 9 /forums/images/icons/club.gif on the button. There's a $3 blind on the button that acts as the rake. Four limpers to me and I complete my blind for $5 more. SB folds. BB checks. 6 of us see the flop for 1 bet each.

Flop is J /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 8 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 6 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif . EP bets. MP calls, I call with an overcard, a gutshot to the nut straight, and a backdoor smallish flush draw, and the BB calls. Four see the turn with 5BB in the pot.

Turn is Q /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif (J /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 8 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 6 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif). I have top pair with a mediocre kicker. Checked around to me. I bet. EP and MP call. 3 to the river for 8BB.

River is T /forums/images/icons/club.gif (Q /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif J /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 8 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 6 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif). My gutshot made it! Checked to me. I bet. EP folds. MP raises. MP is extremely loose, and fairly passive. I have played with him before and I believe he views me as a tough opponent. I 3-bet. MP 4-bets. I call.

Thoughts?

[Jeffage]

Fold preflop regardless of the live post (IMO). Your hand is a piece of crap. Flop and turn are fine. On the river, I would NOT 3-bet this opponent. You say he is passive. That means he is not raising u with less than a 9 for the chop. So ur reraise gains nothing but you will be 4-bet with the nuts or K9 by this player. Just my opinion, but if someone is passive they typically dont checkraise on a 4 str8 board without the straight or a higher one.

Jeff

[Homer]

Ditto Jeffage, except that I would be tempted to call in LP for half-price. He's probably right that it's still better to fold, though.

-- Homer

[DanS]

I remember someone saying that when two reasonable players disagree on a course of action, it's close enough to be negligible either way (in reference to Tyler and Jeffage).

"MP is extremely loose, and fairly passive."

Erik, you trying to set up a trick question here? If the dude's loose but passive, he's got the straight, or possibly, improbably, he's bluffing. He's not value checkraising two pair if he's passive; he doesn't sound like good enough of an opponent to make sure marginal yet thinking decisions. I'd call. That third bet doesn't gain you much against the typical Garden City opponent.

Dan

[haakee]

He showed K9o for a bigger straight. In hindsight I didn't like my river raise, but it was hard for me to put him on a bigger straight when he check-raised me. I was fairly sure we would chop.

As for limping on the button, I think KTo or QTo are playable, and J8o is unplayable, Q9o is kinda grayish, I almost mucked it but I called because there were several limpers.