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Page Jacobson
09-06-2005, 09:51 PM
Last orbit villian did the same thing. Min-raised my BB. He was a loose aggressive player. His range is wide here. Is pushing any two back at him an option?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1050)
UTG (t1989)
Button (t1245)
SB (t3716)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t600</font>, Hero?

Final Pot: t900

Freudian
09-06-2005, 09:56 PM
Fold, push next hand.

lastchance
09-06-2005, 09:57 PM
You have no FE.

At the same time, you've got 3x BB. This spot sucks.

I think I call here, and put in my last t400 on any flop. Any FE is good here.

Freudian
09-06-2005, 10:02 PM
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I think I call here, and put in my last t400 on any flop. Any FE is good here.

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I don't think you will get to use any FE since SB will bet out on the flop most of the time. Then you have to call off your last chips with 84o on a missed flop. That really sucks.

lastchance
09-06-2005, 10:03 PM
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I think I call here, and put in my last t400 on any flop. Any FE is good here.

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I don't think you will get to use any FE since SB will bet out on the flop most of the time. Then you have to call off your last chips with 84o on a missed flop. That really sucks.

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Fine.

But folding here sucks, I think. You've got odds, and you need to double up right now.

Freudian
09-06-2005, 10:08 PM
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I think I call here, and put in my last t400 on any flop. Any FE is good here.

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I don't think you will get to use any FE since SB will bet out on the flop most of the time. Then you have to call off your last chips with 84o on a missed flop. That really sucks.

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Fine.

But folding here sucks, I think. You've got odds, and you need to double up right now.

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I think both options have drawbacks. If you get 32 next hand it would be even worse but 84o is probably way behind here. If there was some value (suited, connected, high card) to heros hand I would like your line more.

lastchance
09-06-2005, 10:09 PM
Against any 2, you're getting odds, so I push, though it might be wrong, though I really doubt it.

Do you think that minraise means something, then?

Edit: 84 is 40% against any 2. That's too good to fold here, IMHO, even if you're not up against any 2.

Freudian
09-06-2005, 10:24 PM
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Against any 2, you're getting odds, so I push, though it might be wrong, though I really doubt it.

Do you think that minraise means something, then?

Edit: 84 is 40% against any 2. That's too good to fold here, IMHO, even if you're not up against any 2.

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If you fold this you get two hands to find something you like more. If the next hand is 32 you could wait another hand then push.

The minraise probably means nothing. I don't think it should be a factor in how you play the hand.

If hero has 250 chips less, I would definately call. But I think the FE in pushing 750 when UTG is larger then what hero has here.

I think both strategies have a low successrate of course.

AliasMrJones
09-06-2005, 11:04 PM
It's too late to push back. It would be correct for him to call your push with any 2. You're in a tough spot here, but I think you have to fold this complete trash and push next hand with what will likely be a better hand.

I think the real question is what happened the hand before this when YOU were the SB? Was it raised before it got to you? If not, I'd push any 2 in THAT situation, especially if it were folded around to you in the SB. You're basically in a no-win situation now.