PDA

View Full Version : FOLDED AA IN 22 SNG WAS IT CORRECT?

09-06-2005, 08:52 PM
able '12238105 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Burnz21Boulz (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: baltjohnny (1550 in chips)
Seat 3: Hypnoser (1070 in chips)
Seat 4: VIPER59 (1790 in chips)
Seat 5: Kdanilo (1490 in chips)
Seat 6: <font color="red"> Hero </font> (1310 in chips)
Seat 8: TripMcNeilly (1860 in chips)
Seat 9: m8140 (2950 in chips)
VIPER59: posts small blind 15
Kdanilo: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to <font color="red"> Hero </font> [A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif A /images/graemlins/club.gif]
<font color="red"> Hero </font> : raises 60 to 90
TripMcNeilly: folds
m8140: folds
Burnz21Boulz: folds
baltjohnny: folds
Hypnoser: folds
VIPER59: calls 75
Kdanilo: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif J /images/graemlins/spade.gif 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif]
VIPER59: bets 120
Kdanilo: raises 180 to 300
<font color="red"> Hero </font> : folds
YourFoxyGrandma
09-06-2005, 08:54 PM
NOPE.

OUT OF CURIOUSITY, WHAT RANGE OF HANDS DO YOU PUT VILLAIN(S) ON?
Freudian
09-06-2005, 08:55 PM
No. Raise or call/raise on the turn.
lastchance
09-06-2005, 08:58 PM
Push. Really.
09-06-2005, 09:00 PM
Looks like the flop raiser has a set to me. Thats a big reraise with the utg preflop raiser yet to act. The only other hand he could of played this way was aj but 22 88 j8 all seem to fit.
09-06-2005, 09:03 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Push. Really

[/ QUOTE ]

Why at least give me your analysis. What are you putting him on.

Is noboby fearing a set here thats a lot of action on a fairly harmless looking flop.
cleinen
09-06-2005, 09:04 PM
This is a 22 right? I wouldn't be surprised to see a flush draw or AJ or a smaller pocket pair.
psyduck
09-06-2005, 09:06 PM
A $22? I expect to see QJ, KJ, AJ all playing this flop as if they flopped the nuts.
kyro
09-06-2005, 09:06 PM
[ QUOTE ]
The only other hand he could of played this way was aq but 22 88 j8 all seem to fit.

[/ QUOTE ]

You think they're playing J8? I doubt it. 88 or 22 are possible, but so aren't KK, QQ, AJ, KJ, two spades.
Degen
09-06-2005, 09:07 PM
sigh
Degen
09-06-2005, 09:10 PM
you are playing a game that is too big for your roll, or you have General Tail Between The Legs Syndrome...one or the other
Weatherhead03
09-06-2005, 09:11 PM
sad to see exactly what you were saying a couple of days ago....
Pudge714
09-06-2005, 09:11 PM
Easy push
09-06-2005, 09:12 PM
[ QUOTE ]
you are playing a game that is too big for your roll, or you have General Tail Between The Legs Syndrome...one or the other

[/ QUOTE ]

COMPLETE RUBBISH
cleinen
09-06-2005, 09:14 PM
No folding AA here is complete rubbish
applejuicekid
09-06-2005, 09:14 PM
No I'm not fearing a set. Who has a set? I can think of a lot of hands that would play it like this and very few of them are sets. Actually, by the way the action has gone I would be suprised to see a set. Horrible fold, easy push. No analysis is really necessary.
09-06-2005, 09:24 PM
Easy push indeed. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Shooby
09-06-2005, 09:29 PM
Allin in my opinion
Happycamper374
09-06-2005, 09:54 PM
Sure, he could have a set, but the times you keep playing and he doesnt have a set more than make up the times you get busted. So keep playing your good hand.

It's good to ask questions like this and dont let any of the responses get you down. Keep asking and learning.
lastchance
09-06-2005, 09:57 PM
Well, I had to go to school. (ugh)

But, this is a really easy push. Your opponents are flipping over all sorts of pairs and flush draws here, and you're going to be good.

Any Jack and underpairs raise here, you're going to be good a lot of the time.
09-06-2005, 09:58 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Sure, he could have a set, but the times you keep playing and he doesnt have a set more than make up the times you get busted. So keep playing your good hand.

It's good to ask questions like this and dont let any of the responses get you down. Keep asking and learning.



[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks for the advice.
Degen
09-06-2005, 10:25 PM
exactly
AliasMrJones
09-06-2005, 10:59 PM
OK, I changed my mind. I think we should split up the forum.
Bill Poker
09-06-2005, 11:01 PM
easy fold.

yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.

<font color="white"> arrrrgggg! </font>
Scuba Chuck
09-06-2005, 11:06 PM
[ QUOTE ]
sigh

[/ QUOTE ]

Is this a sigh of "Why we need two forums?"
Degen
09-06-2005, 11:09 PM
ding! ding! ding! ding!
Scuba Chuck
09-06-2005, 11:12 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Looks like the flop raiser has a set to me. Thats a big reraise with the utg preflop raiser yet to act. The only other hand he could of played this way was aj but 22 88 j8 all seem to fit.

[/ QUOTE ]

OP, if you were the flop raiser, and you had 88, let's say, how would you play this hand? Would you call or raise here? In general, what are your thoughts when your set hits? Assuming you hit your set, how happy are you that the SB already raises the pot before the initial preflop bettor, and what are you doing to maximize the chips into this pot?

Once you answer these questions I'm certain you'll see why over 90% of the time, your Aces are the best hand here, and should be very happy to move all your chips, in the center of the table with a very very big smile.
09-06-2005, 11:13 PM
[ QUOTE ]


yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.



<font color="white"> arrrrgggg! </font>

[/ QUOTE ]


Why in the world would you do that? Holy crap. You completely dominate anyone who would go all-in. That is just a horrible horrible play.
Ogre
09-06-2005, 11:17 PM
horrible

I vote split forums
Scuba Chuck
09-06-2005, 11:19 PM
[ QUOTE ]
yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.

[/ QUOTE ]

There is only one reason why I think AA should be folded preflop, and it is completely non poker related, and has happened to me once.
09-06-2005, 11:32 PM
OK...I give up...what is the reason?
Nicholasp27
09-06-2005, 11:47 PM
wow

jx will bet and raise that bet before u

axs will

kk will

qq will

aa will (so u split pot, at least u get half that dead money in pot)

even lower pps will do that figuring the players have ax, kx, qx or pp, but not jx

how many jx hands call a 3bb raise pf??

u cannot lay down aa here...sure sometimes u will lose the hand...that's poker and that's probability...but this is VERY VERY +EV to raise/push this, or even call it, instead of folding

you lost some money by folding, regardless of outcome
09-07-2005, 01:50 AM
two things that should be taken into account here are 1) the person could be reraising a set trying to drive out a flush draw and 2) sometimes people play big hands really stupid at this level. That being said, it is still a pushing hand. But I don't think its as solid as some people are making it to be.
09-07-2005, 01:55 AM
[ QUOTE ]
easy fold.

yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.

[/ QUOTE ]

good one
Scuba Chuck
09-07-2005, 02:00 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.

[/ QUOTE ]

There is only one reason why I think AA should be folded preflop, and it is completely non poker related, and has happened to me once.

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
OK...I give up...what is the reason?

[/ QUOTE ]

Really? I thought the way I worded my sentence, and the one clue I gave made it super obvious. I know my humor is very dry, but I think you're likely able to guess. LOL
Mr_J
09-07-2005, 03:45 AM
"Why in the world would you do that? Holy crap. You completely dominate anyone who would go all-in. That is just a horrible horrible play."

You're joking right?? He obviously was...
Mr_J
09-07-2005, 03:46 AM
You got lucky???

Birth of your kid??
tigerite
09-07-2005, 06:41 AM
A misclick?
Bill Poker
09-07-2005, 07:28 AM
[ QUOTE ]
A misclick?

[/ QUOTE ]

right/images/graemlins/grin.gif
tigerite
09-07-2005, 07:51 AM
I misclick folded KK ITM once on a K high flop. Ugh.
Nicholasp27
09-07-2005, 09:20 AM
oh, u are definitely scared when you call, as there MAY be a better hand out there...but u still call as in the long run it's +ev, and that's what poker is about (unless you are playing on too low of br and you are scared of not placing)
YourFoxyGrandma
09-07-2005, 10:03 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.



<font color="white"> arrrrgggg! </font>

[/ QUOTE ]


Why in the world would you do that? Holy crap. You completely dominate anyone who would go all-in. That is just a horrible horrible play.

[/ QUOTE ]

You really just don't get it, do you?
09-07-2005, 12:20 PM
Hook line and sinker /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I was still in disbelief mode from the play of the 6 handed flopped set thread yeasterday.
pooh74
09-07-2005, 12:24 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.

[/ QUOTE ]

There is only one reason why I think AA should be folded preflop, and it is completely non poker related, and has happened to me once.

[/ QUOTE ]

awww...I hate when i poop my pants. Don't mind it if I am holding 87o though.
Bill Poker
09-07-2005, 02:41 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


yesterday, I even folded AA preflop after being reraised when blind was 15/30.


[/ QUOTE ]

Why in the world would you do that? Holy crap. You completely dominate anyone who would go all-in. That is just a horrible horrible play.

[/ QUOTE ]

because I thought he must have AA too, and I dont want to get into a race in the early levels since I feel I am a better player and I can outplay them on the bubble.


<font color="white">ok ok, I misclicked. but it is the first time I've folded AA preflop. </font>