55s...flopping the set

#Game No : 2664417439
***** Hand History for Game 2664417439 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:15499782 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, September 06, 13:51:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 14214 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: pokeher12in ( $1145 )
Seat 3: BeCooL2 ( $1015 )
Seat 4: kohler10 ( $1395 )
Seat 5: dogger113 ( $155 )
Seat 6: tdbug58 ( $1000 )
Seat 7: Fischenstein ( $1065 )
Seat 8: centgas20 ( $975 )
Seat 10: taschen ( $1000 )
Seat 9: zander345 ( $1365 )
Seat 2: GatorJohn89 ( $885 )
Trny:15499782 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to centgas20 [ 4h 4d ]
pokeher12in folds.
GatorJohn89 folds.
BeCooL2 raises [30].
kohler10 calls [30].
dogger113 calls [30].
tdbug58 calls [30].
Fischenstein folds.
centgas20 calls [30].
zander345 calls [20].
taschen folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 5c, 4c ]
zander345 bets [15].
BeCooL2 raises [30].
kohler10 calls [30].
dogger113 calls [30].
tdbug58 calls [30].
centgas20 calls [30].
zander345 calls [15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
zander345 checks.
BeCooL2 bets [90].
kohler10 folds.
dogger113 calls [90].
tdbug58 calls [90].
centgas20 calls [90].
zander345 calls [90].
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
zander345 checks.
BeCooL2 checks.
dogger113 checks.
tdbug58 checks.
centgas20 checks.
zander345 shows [ Kh, 2h ] high card king.
BeCooL2 shows [ Tc, Th ] a pair of tens.
dogger113 doesn't show [ Qd, 5d ] a pair of fives.
tdbug58 shows [ Ah, Ac ] a pair of aces.
centgas20 shows [ 4h, 4d ] three of a kind, fours.
centgas20 wins 825 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, fours.

Would you say I played this okay?

Preflop I felt I was getting enough value with the amount of callers.

On the flop the straight obviously scared me with the amount of people in. I didn't think of the threat of the flush too much. With any possible higher pockets who would call, I wasn't too sure that a bet would tell me too much.

On the river I could have raised, but with the possible flush and straight I felt like taking the safe option. Did I play this too weak?

Cheers

[pergesu]

You should have made a real bet on the flop. Fortunately somebody raised you, giving you a chance to make a good reraise...but you didn't do it.

The only way I check the turn is so I can check-raise. With a straight draw and two flush draws on the board, I'm not messing around.

You played this way too passively in my opinion, and made it correct for people to draw to whatever it is they want to draw to.

[ QUOTE ]
You should have made a real bet on the flop. Fortunately somebody raised you, giving you a chance to make a good reraise...but you didn't do it.

The only way I check the turn is so I can check-raise. With a straight draw and two flush draws on the board, I'm not messing around.

You played this way too passively in my opinion, and made it correct for people to draw to whatever it is they want to draw to.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks. The amount of people in the hand just made me too afraid of the straight. I still had plenty of outs of hitting the FH as well I suppose. With KK and AA lingering I should have tripled up.

i raise the flop

[pergesu]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks. The amount of people in the hand just made me too afraid of the straight. I still had plenty of outs of hitting the FH as well I suppose. With KK and AA lingering I should have tripled up.

[/ QUOTE ]

A2, 62, and 76. The first is possible, last less so, and middle I'm going to bet is not out there.

Someone may have it, but you've got no way of finding out with the way you played it. And I think this is one of those spots where Harrington would say, "You have to get chips somewhere. If you run into a monster, so be it - but this is a great place to put your chips in." Keep in mind that a straight should protect his hand because of the flush draw, and even more so when the second flush draw pops up.

Also you're not drawing dead if someone did in fact flop the straight. I'll take my chances though...and then when the turn comes and there are all those draws, I'm looking to get my chips in with someone who will gamble with me.

Man...you are just begging to get sucked out letting so many players stick around.

A good bet after the flop would have gotten rid of everyone but the TT and AA...and they may have pushed back (the guys with AA is a freaking moron to let so many people play preflop) which would have double or tripled you up. In any event you would have made more money for far less risk (one person had a 2...you let him get two shots at catching a 6).

[1C5]

Wow, if people really play AA and TT and 444 like that in the 50s, they can be tough to put a range on. I would have never guessed someone had TT and AA based on that betting.

[ QUOTE ]
Wow, if people really play AA and TT and 444 like that in the 50s, they can be tough to put a range on. I would have never guessed someone had TT and AA based on that betting.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought there maybe a higher pocket or two, but with that passive lack of betting I couldn't believe AA and KK were flipped.

[proell]

preflop was fine.
I would have raised the flop to make the flush and straight draws pay. On the turn I certainly would have raised. Make it about 400 to go on the turn and the flush and straight draws will not be getting odds. Overpairs, 2 pair hands, undersets, and even A9 will all give you their money here and you may even end up getting it all in at this point.

And with noone really showing any strength, checking the river is also weak.

Basically my suggestion here is to take control on the turn, and make some money off your hand.

[durron597]

Raise flop, since you didn't, raise turn, since you didn't, bet river.

Edit: added the "since you didn'ts"

[chisness]

are you drugged?

i raise flop to 200ish and push turn

[45suited]

OMG, I would never flat call the flop bet with that many people in, that much money in the pot, and that many cards that you really don't want to see on the turn.

As has been said, raise flop, raise turn, bet the river.

Actually, raise flop, push turn. The pot will be huge by then, just push the turn.

[jon462]

omg, I see the showdown and I see 5 people who played their hand horribly /images/graemlins/blush.gif I cant believe someone was the 4th limper with AA (ive seen people limp in second with AA at an agressive table.. but 4th?!) and didnt raise on any street.

[kyro]

The flop call is horrendous in my opinion. If someone has the straight, good for them. You should have stacked AA, probably TT, and possibly Q5 depending on how much he sucks here. This is just ugly.

[AliasMrJones]

Preflop looks good. Call, call call...yuck. You have to protect your set on the flop. You simply can't let all those people try to suck out on you. There's 350-ish in the pot when it gets to you on the flop. I'd raise to something in the 250-300 range. I don't think a push is bad, given your stack size. You can't play this passively and win at poker.

[fnord_too]

Make a real lead on the flop. If you get played with, you can call and get your money in on a blank turn or just get it in here. There are way to many draws here to be playing around with all these people, you want people out and chips in here.

[illegit]

[ QUOTE ]

Did I play this too weak?


[/ QUOTE ]
Unbelievably so. After seeing the action on the first 2 streets I thought this had to be a limit SNG. AA played even worse than you or maybe equally bad.

Seriously, raise the flop and charge the draws (with a serious sized bet). It's highly unlikely you're beat, and yet the board contains many possible draws. You really need to get value out of these hands and this is not the way to do it. You missed out on a lot of chips here. The only way you can justify calling a raise PF w/ 44 is if you can stack the morons who are min raising with AA when you hit your set. If you're not going to do that might as well fold 44 to a raise.

[illegit]

WTF. No one had KK.

[Pudge714]

RAISE THE FLOP in a six way pot with three connected cards and a flush draw, nobodu should be seeing the turn unless all of thier chips are in the pot. You got incredibly lucky you won this pot, as you were probably less then 50/50 to dodge all those draws.

[lastchance]

THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!! TERRIBLE! As bad as the AA fold posted earlier.

You have a set!!! Don't be a pansy, especially on a 3-straight board, with a flush draw.

Raise!!! Make it t250, and shove the turn.