KQs $2/$5 at the mirage

[aba20]

Viliian just sat down, so no reads.

I have $400 behind and he covers.

I raise to $20 in MP with K /images/graemlins/club.gifQ /images/graemlins/club.gif and I am called by the button and the villian in the big blind who checks the flop dark.

$62 in the pot flop is 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 2 /images/graemlins/club.gif

I lead for $50 the button folds and villian check-raises making it $100 more. The pot has $162, I have $330 left

What is my line for the rest of the hand?

[jzpiano14]

KQs What suit?? Might help with the rest of the hand

[aba20]

fixed it

[jzpiano14]

I'm struggling between a push and a call

1) Call, see what the turn is and if your /images/graemlins/club.gif hits u know what to do, and if it doesn't c/f since I don't think a K or Q is going to help here.

2) Push, hope for a fold, but I'm going to say your going to get a call....(this is where my dilema is) and if not u have a good draw

Anybody else?? This is a tricky one...

why not just check behind on the flop?

its not like you are realistically going to fold if the flush hits...

[aba20]

"why not just check behind on the flop?"

Seems really weak to me. I have a big hand, and can pick the pot up most of the time.

[jzpiano14]

why not bet on the flop if the villan took the flop in the dark and try and pick up the pot right now, i don't see anything wrong with that

[jzpiano14]

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"why not just check behind on the flop?"

Seems really weak to me. I have a big hand, and can pick the pot up most of the time.

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Second that

[Bukem_]

Can't answer the question without knowing button...


Whats his CR mean, will he let you get there, will he pay you if you get there, whats he folding if you push. Any cards you can bluff on if you miss?

FLop bet is good.

[jzpiano14]

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Can't answer the question without knowing button...




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He says in his orgional post, unless I'm missing something really obvious.....

[aba20]

"Can't answer the question without knowing button..."

Don't know why he is important but he was a businessman wearing a nice suit, who was generally weak-tight and easy to read.

[Bukem_]

Sorry, I meant BB(mixed up from where it says button calls right above)

Anyways, If you don't have a read on him, I just call and use my position.

[kurto]

Is it just me or is everyone overvaluing this draw? Put the villain on a range of hands then reevaluate.

With a checkraise, hero is definitely behind. I don't mean to be 'weak', but its very possible villain is drawing to 9 outs... or worse, Villain could have the nutflush draw.

I definitely don't agree with a push unless you think villain has a good chance of folding.

[pokerjoker]

what does villan have? is he capable of folding it? You are about 50/50 vs 78 but would still prefer to win it right there. The only reason I dont push here is if I think he has a set.

He probbaly does not have a set
Push time.

[pokerjoker]

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Is it just me or is everyone overvaluing this draw? Put the villain on a range of hands then reevaluate.

With a checkraise, hero is definitely behind. I don't mean to be 'weak', but its very possible villain is drawing to 9 outs... or worse, Villain could have the nutflush draw.

I definitely don't agree with a push unless you think villain has a good chance of folding.

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I could be wrong but

With villan being in the big blind and 4 spades already accounted for I would devalue the chance he has the nut flush draw. Plus if the flush hits hero is getting stacked anyway. 7 something looks most likely to me especially with the looseness of most casino games.

[aba20]

"He probbaly does not have a set
Push time."

I really doubted that he had a set also since I thought most people would slowplay and smooth call. (You guessed it perfectly joker) So I pushed and he called me with 76(how bad was his call?). Turn was the the beautiful A /images/graemlins/club.gif and I took down the pot. I was a 52% favorite on the flop.

[kurto]

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I really doubted that he had a set also since I thought most people would slowplay and smooth call.

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Who smoothcalls with a set with 2 cards to a flush on the board? If I had a set there, I'm playing it fast getting all the money in while I'm ahead.

That being said... the villain sounds terrible. Hard to imagine butting your whole stack on a pair of 7s with very little chance of getting much better.

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I really doubted that he had a set also since I thought most people would slowplay and smooth call.

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Who smoothcalls with a set with 2 cards to a flush on the board? If I had a set there, I'm playing it fast getting all the money in while I'm ahead.

That being said... the villain sounds terrible. Hard to imagine butting your whole stack on a pair of 7s with very little chance of getting much better.

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Wow. Checkraising with 67 on the flop is bad enough, but calling an all in is pretty atrocious. Live games are great. I agree about playing a set fast here. There are alot of cards on this board that can really kill your action. I'm putting pressure on my opponents with a set here.