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GoCubsGo

09-05-2005, 07:55 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($94.20)
CO ($9.55)
Button ($29.50)
SB ($24.60)
Hero ($69.45)
UTG ($29.25)
MP1 ($38.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP1 raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.5, MP1 calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($10.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, MP1 calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($20.50) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 raises to $29.9, Hero calls $13.90.

River: ($64.30) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $64.30

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ts Td (three of a kind, tens).
MP1 has 8c 8s (straight, eight high).
Outcome: MP1 wins $64.30. 

donkey: 8's again
donkey: i love em
hero(fights the urge): nh
donkey: ty

Next hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($24.15)
MP1 ($94.20)
MP2 ($9.55)
CO ($29.50)
Button ($21.10)
Hero ($31.05)
BB ($29.25)
UTG ($77.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, UTG calls $3, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $3.

Flop: ($11.75) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG raises to $30, MP1 folds, Hero calls $17.55 (All-In).

Turn: ($69.30) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($69.30) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $69.30

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jd Js (three of a kind, jacks).
UTG has 8c 8s (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $66.85. UTG wins $2.45. 

hero: jacks...i love em
donkey: haha
donkey: nh
hero: ty

This is what's holding a lot of you guys back. You're getting pissed when you take a beat and not learning a lesson. Note that villain is a donkey and get him next time.

RiverFenix

09-05-2005, 08:13 PM

You should lead for closer to a PSB in hand 1. It gives you more options on the turn.

Niwa

09-05-2005, 08:16 PM

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hero: jacks...i love em
donkey: haha
donkey: nh
hero: ty

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lmao.

ajmargarine

09-05-2005, 08:19 PM

Berating horrible play/players is a good way for the poker boom to die out quicker. It's one thing to lose, semi-enjoy yourself and at least carry on the illusion that you might win some day. It's another thing to lose, be called an idiot over and over again, and leave poker and spend your discretionary income on slot machines and DVD's.

jzpiano14

09-05-2005, 08:39 PM

Percula

09-05-2005, 08:58 PM

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Berating horrible play/players is a good way for the poker boom to die out quicker. It's one thing to lose, semi-enjoy yourself and at least carry on the illusion that you might win some day. It's another thing to lose, be called an idiot over and over again, and leave poker and spend your discretionary income on slot machines and DVD's.

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Here, here!

As much as you like to grab the fricken moron that called AI PF with JTs to crack your AA by the neck and beat some sense in to them, you have to just shut up and try to feel good about it; after all you want that call and do not want them or anyone else watching/listening to know any better.

JihadOnTheRiver

09-05-2005, 09:45 PM

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This is what's holding a lot of you guys back...

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From a NL50 player? You gotta be friggin kidding me...

yvesaint

09-05-2005, 09:53 PM

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This is what's holding a lot of you guys back.

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I can't really speak for all the 25 and 50 NL players, but I don't think this is really the case for not being able to move up /images/graemlins/confused.gif

IbrakeFORrivers

09-05-2005, 09:59 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($94.20)
CO ($9.55)
Button ($29.50)
SB ($24.60)
Hero ($69.45)
UTG ($29.25)
MP1 ($38.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP1 raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.5, MP1 calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($10.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, MP1 calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($20.50) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 raises to $29.9, Hero calls $13.90.

River: ($64.30) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $64.30

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ts Td (three of a kind, tens).
MP1 has 8c 8s (straight, eight high).
Outcome: MP1 wins $64.30. 

donkey: 8's again
donkey: i love em
hero(fights the urge): nh
donkey: ty

Next hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($24.15)
MP1 ($94.20)
MP2 ($9.55)
CO ($29.50)
Button ($21.10)
Hero ($31.05)
BB ($29.25)
UTG ($77.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, UTG calls $3, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $3.

Flop: ($11.75) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG raises to $30, MP1 folds, Hero calls $17.55 (All-In).

Turn: ($69.30) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($69.30) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $69.30

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jd Js (three of a kind, jacks).
UTG has 8c 8s (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $66.85. UTG wins $2.45. 

hero: jacks...i love em
donkey: haha
donkey: nh
hero: ty

This is what's holding a lot of you guys back. You're getting pissed when you take a beat and not learning a lesson. Note that villain is a donkey and get him next time.

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I get the point and I agree with you 100%.
This is a good post and I've seen it happen tons of times.

Here's the way I think of it. Sometimes people get discouraged b/c they play solidly, yet lose 3 buy-ins to 3 DIFFERENT donks. HOWEVER on the flipside, follow each of those 3 donks indiviually and separately, and i'm sure they lose it all and then some at another table a distance away from the original hero.

It's all about long-term profit...

DJMaytag

09-05-2005, 10:09 PM

Be lucky that u had the chance to get him back, most of the fish i play against either lose my chips to other players before i get a crack at 'em, or they leave the table (the latter being the most likely option).

GoCubsGo

09-05-2005, 10:31 PM

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This is what's holding a lot of you guys back...

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From a NL50 player? You gotta be friggin kidding me...

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Too much ego? Sorry, I know I play for pennies, it's all my bankroll supports right now. But I'm winning. Go look at the posts in the psychology forum. Posts every day about people that can't deal with taking beats and don't react to it correctly.

09-05-2005, 11:10 PM

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This is what's holding a lot of you guys back...

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From a NL50 player? You gotta be friggin kidding me...

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Ironically, you're berating the player that you(and only you) believes to be a fish in a thread about why you shouldn't berate fish.

Limit of play has very little to do with skill. I would think that a player who has moved up through the ranks of each limit(as you presumably have) would know this.

DaveduFresne

09-05-2005, 11:13 PM

Let's see you be gracious if he stacks you off on the second hand by spiking an eight if you hadn't improved as well. I almost never say a word the first time a player draws out on me, but sometimes the same guy who is a big dog three times in a row beats me every time. Very hard to keep quiet at this point. (Although its the right thing to do of course.)

JihadOnTheRiver

09-05-2005, 11:36 PM

I don't think he's a fish, nor did i ever state that. Actually, I respect the OPs point, and I in fact only play 1 level above, at the 100s, hoping to go to 200s w/n weeks now. I just thought it sounded like a bit too much...

JihadOnTheRiver

09-05-2005, 11:42 PM

I actually had an intersting occassion very recently while 4 tabling. I got dealt AA on two talbes simultaneously, and got it all in after the flop on both tables. One against KK, the other 22(don't ask). Within 2 seconds, they each rivered a set. The odds for that happening at the same time at two tables is somewhere around the magnitude of 10:10000.

I reloaded and laughed both off. Both players then started typing in there respective defenses. Although the KK was more than appropriate, his reasoning was pretty donkish. 22 was, needless to say, retarded. I treated both in the same manner you did (nh, blah blah, I understand). I doubled through both of them within 30 minutes and they were both broke within an hour.

-JOTR