Final table QQ hand, was this avoidable?

[Annulus]

I posted this in the MTT section. But since it is a final table, I will also post this hand here. I got a few comments on this hand there. I would like to hear more input from some of the posters here. This hand is still bothering me obviously.
Im not a big math guy, but i figured im probably ahead here most of the time. But if i fold im still in excellent shape. im chip leader of a $55 final table last night at party. I have no reads at all on villian. Payout are very top heavy as usual. Good money for me starts at 4th place, I could pretty much fold my way there. But of course, im playing to win. heres the hand. (sorry converter issues)

6000/12000 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 15461107) - Mon Sep 05 05:21:17 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(448833) Table 1 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Nini_Mags (139742)
Seat 2: slicvic510 (32888)
Seat 3: Jfrenz21 (26880)
Seat 4: maxx1220 (56691)
Seat 5: DeLovesBears (49796)
Seat 6: MindCrimeDrX (95534)
Seat 7: Fluxster (13168)
Seat 8: cwings (100291)
Seat 9: SHREK1315 (9562)
Seat 10: dannygreen1 (45448)
Fluxster posts small blind (3000)
cwings posts big blind (6000)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Nini_Mags [ Qs, Qh ]
SHREK1315 folds.
dannygreen1 folds.
Nini_Mags raises (15000) to 15000
slicvic510 folds.
Jfrenz21 folds.
maxx1220 folds.
DeLovesBears folds.
MindCrimeDrX folds.
Fluxster folds.
LJR5943: nice maxx u made it this far better win it now
cwings raises (94291) to 100291
cwings is all-In.
Nini_Mags calls (85291)
Creating Main Pot with $203582 with cwings
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, 4d, Ad ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 203582 |
Board: [ Ks 4d Ad 8c 6s ]
Nini_Mags balance 39451, lost 100291 [ Qs Qh ] [ a pair of queens -- Ad,Ks,Qs,Qh,8c ]
slicvic510 balance 32888, didn't bet (folded)
Jfrenz21 balance 26880, didn't bet (folded)
maxx1220 balance 56691, didn't bet (folded)
DeLovesBears balance 49796, didn't bet (folded)
MindCrimeDrX balance 95534, didn't bet (folded)
Fluxster balance 10168, lost 3000 (folded)
cwings balance 203582, bet 100291, collected 203582, net +103291 [ Kh Kd ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Ad,Kh,Kd,Ks,8c ]
SHREK1315 balance 9562, didn't bet (folded)
dannygreen1 balance 45448, didn't bet (folded)

[adanthar]

What's avoidable, posting this thread or not rivering quads?

[raptor517]

im about 100% sure ill never fold QQ here. ok im 100% sure. if you have been playing correctly at all, you have been raising a lot of hands. if he is any good, he has picked up on this and is playing back, knowing hes the only one that can hurt you. i call in a heartbeat, and my heart beats fast. holla

[Annulus]

[ QUOTE ]
What's avoidable, posting this thread or not rivering quads?

[/ QUOTE ]


sorry to bother you adanthar. go make some more "earth shattering" post about AK so the newbies can blow your ego even harder.

[adanthar]

yeah I know, my posts are totally worthless compared to bad beat threads

[raptor517]

[ QUOTE ]
yeah I know, my posts are totally worthless compared to bad beat threads

[/ QUOTE ]

you are pretty worthless adanthar. you smell bad too. holla

[adanthar]

hey when my girlfriend's not here I can smell bad all I want to OK? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Holla

[Annulus]

[ QUOTE ]
yeah I know, my posts are totally worthless compared to bad beat threads

[/ QUOTE ]

maybe i shouldnt of posted the results because my intentions were not a bad beat post. hell, its not even a bad beat. i just wanted some discussion to the merits of folding Q's here and still being double the average stack. but obviously the "adanthar forum police" thought otherwise. ok, no biggie, end of my post.

[Annulus]

I love the double standards adanthar. This totally proves the bullcrap that veteran posters display towards the newer posters. Here you answer a very similar question posted by Che (well known poster), but to my question you flame me.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3324694&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&vc=1

ps-- I hear you are a Michgian grad, ever want to meet for a beer in ann arbor? my treat. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[adanthar]

You see how there was a bet, a raise, and then a four bet of a 3 bet involved in that hand?

I graduated this May and I'm on the East Coast now or I might've taken you up on it...I mostly just do sarcasm on the Internet.

[Annulus]

sounds good, nh.

[adanthar]

BTW that hand was exactly what I was talking about in my AK post...don't reraise if the X-bet is gonna make you throw up.

Also, your hand is why gross overbets with big pairs are a good play (and no, it's not defendable, although if he did the donkish thing like in Che's hand and made it 55000 you would've at least had a warning sign.)

[raptor517]

[ QUOTE ]
You see how there was a bet, a raise, and then a four bet of a 3 bet involved in that hand?

I graduated this May and I'm on the East Coast now or I might've taken you up on it...I mostly just do sarcasm on the Internet.

[/ QUOTE ]

yea.. these hands arent even relatively similar. if ya cant see why.. yeah. holla