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Ghazban

09-05-2005, 10:39 AM

Villain is 20/20 after just 10 hands so don't read too much into that; haven't seen him do anything at all, really, so reads are at a minimum.

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SB ($344.55)
Hero ($406)
UTG ($33.05)
MP ($208.40)
CO ($207.30)
Button ($188.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP raises to $5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $15, MP raises to $25, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($51) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $50, Hero calls $50.

Turn: ($151) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $134

jkkkk

09-05-2005, 10:48 AM

I think this depends largely on the usual texture of these tables, so you have to weight the likely holdings of the 'average' player (I don't know what the average player at this level is capable of 3-betting pre-flop with). That said hes 3-bet you pf and the most likely holdings I see you infront of are A/images/graemlins/spade.gifKx or QQ, a fold is most likely good here.

kongo_totte

09-05-2005, 11:12 AM

What is your plan on a rag turn? If it is push, you might aswell check-raise the flop all in.

Allinlife

09-05-2005, 11:13 AM

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check-raise the flop all in.

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kitaristi0

09-05-2005, 11:41 AM

Would rereraising PF here be wrong?

kongo_totte

09-05-2005, 11:42 AM

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Would rereraising PF here be wrong?

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I belive so, yes. He i slikely to fold out AK and QQ-JJ but always be called/raised by A A.

Ghazban

09-05-2005, 12:16 PM

Checkraising the flop all-in always loses my stack to AA; using the turn scare card puts AA without the ace of spades to an uncomfortable decision.

gol4pro

09-05-2005, 12:31 PM

I probably 4-bet preflop in 6-max. Pop it to 65.

If you're slowplaying them, and not afraid of AA... then I either CR the flop to 150, or take your line. I like both.

The more I consider it, the more I like your line, because A /images/graemlins/spade.gif may try to semi-bluff you.

kongo_totte

09-05-2005, 12:39 PM

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Checkraising the flop all-in always loses my stack to AA; using the turn scare card puts AA without the ace of spades to an uncomfortable decision.

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If the turn is an A or a Q, it puts you to an uncomfortable decision. The question is really how often an opponent will fold AA (no spade) on a spade turn vs. how often he will call a flop check-raise w/ Q Q.

Ghazban

09-05-2005, 12:53 PM

Don't forget the possibility that I get an incorrect turn call from AsKx on the turn that would've certainly folded to a flop checkraise. AsKx has correct odds vs. QQ (which he might put me on) but not against KK or AA.

pokerjoker

09-05-2005, 02:35 PM

seems good. really I doubt it matters how you do it exactly in this situation, your stack is probably either going in or it isint, I cant think of any holdings villan could have that are debatable besides AsKx. Your flop play is optimal against AsKx though because allows him to get a free card to his backdoor flush and then call you on the turn with bad odds if a spade hits (which he will still probably do).

Id put u at around a 70% favorite here and hope u dont get stacked by AA or JJ or AsKx suckout.

NH