I am disgusted in my fellow americans

Read this on yahoo news today:
"As authorities struggled to keep order, police shot eight people, killing five or six, after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said."

The contractors in Iraq require armed escorts. Surely, they shouldn't need them in America. What the hell is going on? How can we preach moral supremecy to the rest of the world if our own people act like this in a time of crisis?
Your thoughts, please...

[Wes ManTooth]

What type of responce are you looking for?...

I am sorry that you are disgusted with your fellow americans but everyone is not perfect.

[whiskeytown]

I'm interested in hearing the facts - who fired on the contractors - I don't know that yet -

wouldn't surprise me to find out it's a case of friendly fire - but you never know -

RB

[newfant]

Do you always impute the behavior of a few individuals to hundreds of millions of people? You may want to get some perspective. This type of [censored] happened before this hurricane and even happens in countries other than the U.S. and Iraq.

[Lestat]

I'm disgusted too. That those police were such lousy shots.

[zipo]

>>I'm disgusted too. That those police were such lousy shots.<<

Absolutey. If we had deployed more Marines to restore order, the shot to kill ratio would have approached 1.0.

Those cops need more time at the range.

You know, it's funny but, when they showed people looting on t.v., it's not like they were stealing food and items needed for survival but nice clothes, televisions, dvd players. You're right, let's just forgive the people shooting police officers and raping innocent women in New Orleans rather than trying to help the less fortunate. My bad.

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but everyone is not perfect.

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A laughable response.

Here's the real story. Underneath our supposed civilized society is a significant third-world country which will rear its ugly head should civil authority disappear. Welcome to the fruits of a society where personal responsibility is cast aside in favor of government handouts. Long live the third-world state of America, right? Liberty and freedom have been replaced with "gotta get mine, y'know?". Republicans and Democrats, you both have done well in tearing this nation asunder under the guise of good intentions. Enjoy the comedy/tragedy you have spent decades creating.

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I'm interested in hearing the facts - who fired on the contractors - I don't know that yet -

wouldn't surprise me to find out it's a case of friendly fire - but you never know -


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Yeah, keep your head in the sand and just keep believing that all poor people haved hearts of gold.

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This type of [censored] happened before this hurricane and even happens in countries other than the U.S. and Iraq.

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So shooting at aid workers should be no big deal, this stuff happens all the time. You know, like after 9/11 when NYers were shooting searchers, or after OKCity bombings when Oklahomans were raping teenage girls, or after wildfires in NM where people started stealing pianos, or better yet the dozens of tornadoes every year when small-town citizens go an crime sprees. Oh wait, none of that ever happened, my bad. Maybe Americans shooting at those coming to their aid doesn't happen all the time, and maybe it actually IS deplorable ... oh wait, that would mean I'd have to admit something unflattering about a minority of persons within a minority group, and my brainwashed mind can't handle that... arrrrgggghhhhh, screw it, just blame it on whitey.

[newfant]

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You know, it's funny but, when they showed people looting on t.v., it's not like they were stealing food and items needed for survival but nice clothes, televisions, dvd players. You're right, let's just forgive the people shooting police officers and raping innocent women in New Orleans rather than trying to help the less fortunate. My bad.

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I'm not saying that those who committed rapes and murders shouldn't be prosecuted. Obviously the kid who commandeered the school bus and evacuated several people along with those who scrounged in grocery stores for food and water should not be prosecuted. They did what they had to do to survive.

My issue was with your disgust with all Americans based on the actions of a very few. There are many, many more heros in this situation than there are criminals. Personally, I'm very proud of my fellow Americans (sans George W FusterCluck) for their generosity and willingness to help. I actually feel somewhat ashamed of myself because many Americans are doing great things to help while all I've done is donate a few hundred bucks.

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My issue was with your disgust with all Americans based on the actions of a very few.

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That trick doesn't work. The OP never said he was disgusted with ALL Americans. I am quite sure it was the "very few" causing the problems he referenced that he had in mind.

[microbet]

New Orleans is a little different than the rest of the US.

Edit: I don't mean because of the percentage of blacks that live there.

[newfant]

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My issue was with your disgust with all Americans based on the actions of a very few.


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That trick doesn't work. The OP never said he was disgusted with ALL Americans. I am quite sure it was the "very few" causing the problems he referenced that he had in mind

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When a peson says they are disgusted with their "fellow Americans" this references a group of about 290 million people. If a person says they are disgusted with "thugs in New Orleans who are shooting at rescuers" then I know that they are talking about thugs in New Orleans and not everyone in America. It's not a trick it's the way "fellow Americans" is commonly interpreted.

Quick question: Are those shooting at aid workers Americans?

Answer: Yes.

Thus, they may be termed fellow Americans.


If I say, "I'm disgusted with my fellow Americans that they would elect Candidate Z." This obviously can't include every American because every American didn't vote for Candidate Z, and thus it can be reasonably implied that I only referred to those who voted or supported (or failed to speak out against) Candidate Z.


But the argument is stupid. Fine, you win. The OP clearly meant that he was disgusted with my grandma sitting at home in the Midwest knitting, too.

[The once and future king]

In Britain we dont have a third world under class. Our welfare state is much bigger. Our benefits are much more generous, our education and health is free to the most disadvantaged.

This allows people to rise above structural poverty. In America if you are born to the third world underclass, that is where you are staying.

[newfant]

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Quick question: Are those shooting at aid workers Americans?

Answer: Yes.

Thus, they may be termed fellow Americans.


If I say, "I'm disgusted with my fellow Americans that they would elect Candidate Z." This obviously can't include every American because every American didn't vote for Candidate Z, and thus it can be reasonably implied that I only referred to those who voted or supported (or failed to speak out against) Candidate Z.


But the argument is stupid. Fine, you win. The OP clearly meant that he was disgusted with my grandma sitting at home in the Midwest knitting, too.

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We'll have to agree to disagree then. I would never say that I was disgusted with my fellow Americans when, for example, the high-level executives at Enron steal billions from investors. That is not a blight on every American but is a blight on high-level executives at Enron.

Every country has its criminals. Don't paint every American with a broad brush when it is only the actions of a few. Most Americans are responding in a very positive way to this tragedy.

[Felix_Nietsche]

New Orleans is a fun place to visit but lets face facts. New Orleans was the closest thing the USA had to a Sodom and Gomorrah. If you rank USA cities by crime and corruption, New Orleans makes the top three EASILY.

Bottom Line: There are lots of human trash in New Orleans and now that there is anarchy they are free to be as evil as they want with little chance of getting caught.

These scum were always in that city. before the hurricane, if you walked in the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time you were litteraly risking your life. Because of the hurricane, these evil people are not encumbered by laws and their current behavior shows this.

The biggest criminal is the Lousiana Governor who has failed to instill martial law to give the order to shoot-to-kill these human vermin. How many innocent people must be hurt by these scum? Right now the police practice the "fish" police techniques. Catch them and let them go.

Democratic 'leaders' = Weak and cowardly leadership

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Read this on yahoo news today:
"As authorities struggled to keep order, police shot eight people, killing five or six, after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said."

The contractors in Iraq require armed escorts. Surely, they shouldn't need them in America. What the hell is going on? How can we preach moral supremecy to the rest of the world if our own people act like this in a time of crisis?
Your thoughts, please...

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Don't worry, the people who are doing those things don't really preach anything. They're just worthless scum that lie on the edges of society that happen to be able to cause great damage when they get the occassional chance. If you want to be able to preach moral supremacy, we probably ought to get rid of people like this instead of making excuses for them and blaming "society".

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

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In Britain we dont have a third world under class. Our welfare state is much bigger. Our benefits are much more generous, our education and health is free to the most disadvantaged.

This allows people to rise above structural poverty. In America if you are born to the third world underclass, that is where you are staying.

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Many people in the US hate taxes so much, that they are incapable of understanding why taxes are necessary. In many European countries, they bear a tax burden much higher than ours, but also enjoy a higher quality of life. How can this be?

That is correct. My disgust lies with the parasites that see a horrific tragedy, and their first thought is, "how can I get mine?" Not only the disgusting creatins who are raping, looting, and shooting cops and contractors (let us not forget all the looting that followed 911), but the scumbags "collecting donations" for the victims, money that will just go into the pockets of the fraudulant collectors.

[Easy E]

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How can we preach moral supremecy to the rest of the world

Your thoughts, please...

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Stay way the hell away from any moral supremacy arguments.