Big trouble on table 52724

[crosse91]

1st hand, no real reads. I really think i folded the winner.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($194)
MP2 ($485.70)
MP3 ($227.70)
CO ($268.75)
Button ($196)
SB ($303.28)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($383.55)
UTG+1 ($94)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $13</font>, Hero calls $12, UTG calls $10, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($46) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $33</font>, Hero calls $33, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $175</font>, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $287

[crosse91]

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[KowCiller]

Standard.

KoW

[beset7]

nh

[Bukem_]

I don't call the Sb bet unless I plan on playing for my stack here.

[crosse91]

please explain? do you reraise preflop then?

[KowCiller]

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I don't call the Sb bet unless I plan on playing for my stack here.

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I don't get this at all.

I play QQ for set value here, as well as pairs much lower.

Edit: I should also add for overpair value assuming UTG doesn't get crazy, like he did in this hand. If UTG is capable of pulling the squeeze play on us here then nh to him.

KoW

[crosse91]

agreed, i dont get the statement at all either, i'm very curious as to an explanation here.

[Bukem_]

Preflop is easy call.

Your spot on the flop is really ugly.

If you were heads up, and knew more about SB(or knew one of the players was totally donkey), you would have a much better idea how to procede with a difficult hand.

I'm referring to releasing on the flop beacuse of what may or may not be coming from UTG.

There is almost no scenario in which I can take this hand to showdown for cheap unless UTG folds, and SB checks his AK down the rest of the way, which isn't happening.

Mostly a position fold, even though my hand might be best(though unlikely).

[UOPokerPlayer]

I kind of think the pot would be big enough by the time it came back to UTG that he would want to put a raise in with KK or AA. By the time it comes back to you, you're close to 2 to 1 and I call. Pay off the 77 and 66 here. Tough hand.

[crosse91]

thats my problem here-the minbet preflop means what?? nothing, but i'm presuming better than anything that hit a set here. However aa/kk rereraises preflop-so where the hell do i fit in here??

and to the guy who said he's playing for his whole stack. NEVER decide a line just b/c of flop call, presuming i have ANY sort of stack. Also, folding preflop here is atrocious. Do you see why?

[Bukem_]

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and to the guy who said he's playing for his whole stack. NEVER decide a line just b/c of flop call, presuming i have ANY sort of stack.

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I'm playing at the same time, not sure if I made it clear.

When SB makes a very strong move like betting into the field when the Preflop aggressor is last to act, I'm not calling even one bet unless I think I have them both beat.

[crosse91]

is a preflop min-raise really aggression? and why not call for set value there.



not trying to be rude-i'm just curious.

[Bukem_]

I'm not sure what you are referring to?

I said preflop was easy call.

[crosse91]

ok so we've got preflop down.
SB's flop bet could be /was a continuation bet there. HE was the preflop aggressor, not ep1.

i completely agree, my position sucks.