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BeerMoney
09-04-2005, 07:29 PM
Villain in 2 seat was rather loose aggressive. Thoughts?

7 Card Stud High ($3/$6), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $1 (hand converter (http://www.geocities.com/greenage22/7StudConverter.hta.txt))

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Hero: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif___brings-in___raises___raises
Seat 2: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif___completes___raises___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif___folds
Seat 6: xx xx K/images/graemlins/club.gif___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls___calls___calls

4th Street - (13.00 SB)

Hero: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls

5th Street - (8.00 BB)

Hero: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif___checks___raises
Seat 2: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___bets___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls___calls

6th Street - (14.00 BB)

Hero: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif___bets
Seat 2: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls (all-in)

River - (16.83 BB)

Hero: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif xx___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif xx___all-in

Total pot: 18.83 BB

beta1607
09-04-2005, 08:05 PM
I would like 3rd more if you had a K or A in the hole. I think 5th is too agressive as well, I would check/call there - the CR may be better if you were heads up or if you could make someone cold call two bets but I dont see you having enough equity here for that play.

BeerMoney
09-04-2005, 08:11 PM
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I think 5th is too agressive as well, I would check/call there - the CR may be better if you were heads up or if you could make someone cold call two bets but I dont see you having enough equity here for that play.

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You don't think a pair and a 4 flush has an advantage here?

I'll make that play all day.. I probably should have checked 6th though.

grb137
09-04-2005, 08:20 PM
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Villain in 2 seat was rather loose aggressive. Thoughts?

Hero: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif___brings-in___raises___raises


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Seems like Hero is was rather loose aggressive as well - raising with a 3 flush, J high, with a burned jack. Why not draw to the flush cheaply by simply calling? I don't see how J-3-5 against presumbly Js (or something worse in the hole) is something you want to get heads up against.

grb137
09-04-2005, 08:25 PM
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4th Street - (13.00 SB)
Hero: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls


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And while I'm at it - your hand on 4th is junk. The only reason you can call here is because of the way you jammed third. Had you merely called 3rd, you could have easily gotten away from this hand on 4th.

You may have won, but I really don't think think you win enough times to make this hand worth playing

BeerMoney
09-04-2005, 08:30 PM
You have no guts.

grb137
09-04-2005, 08:31 PM
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You have no guts.

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Least you didn't say I have no balls.

Nevertheless, am I to understand that your play was based not on the cards, but on your large gut?

BeerMoney
09-04-2005, 08:42 PM
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You have no guts.

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Least you didn't say I have no balls.

Nevertheless, am I to understand that your play was based not on the cards, but on your large gut?

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I have heart grb. And that's what it takes. No skill. No discipline.. just heart. And brass balls.

grb137
09-04-2005, 08:45 PM
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You have no guts.

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Least you didn't say I have no balls.

Nevertheless, am I to understand that your play was based not on the cards, but on your large gut?

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I have heart grb. And that's what it takes. No skill. No discipline.. just heart. And brass balls.

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Well thats better than me. I have NO heart - that's why I prey on the weak and foolish at party.

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SA125
09-04-2005, 09:01 PM
Without being pickyun, I think the cap on 3rd was way too agro but wtf. Maybe it's good for meta-game stuff. Like the c/r when 4 flushed. Played very agro and like it.

beta1607
09-04-2005, 09:01 PM
Sorry I didnt notice the 4 flush on 5th - I do like the CR now.

BeerMoney
09-04-2005, 09:04 PM
7 Card Stud High ($3/$6), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $1 (hand converter (http://www.geocities.com/greenage22/7StudConverter.hta.txt))

3rd Street - (1.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2/images/graemlins/club.gif___brings-in___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls___calls___calls
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls___raises
Seat 8: xx xx J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___completes___folds

4th Street - (10.67 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls

5th Street - (7.33 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___bets
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls

6th Street - (11.33 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif___bets
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls

River - (15.33 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif xx___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif xx___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif xx___checks___folds
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif___bets

Total pot: 17.33 BB


Maybe one day, GRB will have the intestinal fortitude to play this game.

grb137
09-04-2005, 09:19 PM
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7 Card Stud High ($3/$6), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $1 (hand converter (http://www.geocities.com/greenage22/7StudConverter.hta.txt))

3rd Street - (1.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2/images/graemlins/club.gif___brings-in___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls___calls___calls
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls___raises
Seat 8: xx xx J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___completes___folds

4th Street - (10.67 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls

5th Street - (7.33 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___bets
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls

6th Street - (11.33 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif___bets
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls

River - (15.33 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif xx___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif xx___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif xx___checks___folds
Hero: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif___bets

Total pot: 17.33 BB


Maybe one day, GRB will have the intestinal fortitude to play this game.

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Ah yes...maybe one day. Till then I'll stay in the relatively safe confines of 20/40 and 10/20 games. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

BeerMoney
09-04-2005, 09:42 PM
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Ah yes...maybe one day. Till then I'll stay in the relatively safe confines of 20/40 and 10/20 games. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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GRB, did you know you can quote without quoting the whole passage?

How are you finding the 20/40 game?

Andy B
09-04-2005, 11:52 PM
How many people can cap with Jack-freaking-high and then worry that they didn't play the hand aggressively enough?

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I would like capping on third with your three-flush more if

1) there were more people in
2) Jacks were live
3) you had more high-card strength

or

4) there weren't any spades out.

I just don't think there's any value in jamming in this particular scenario.

On fourth, the pot is far too big to fold. On fifth, sure, check-raise. Check-raising is fun, and it can't be far wrong. I would bet sixth, and probably bet the river as well.

grb137
09-05-2005, 02:05 PM
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Ah yes...maybe one day. Till then I'll stay in the relatively safe confines of 20/40 and 10/20 games. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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GRB, did you know you can quote without quoting the whole passage?

How are you finding the 20/40 game?

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Yes, I did know that. Did you know I'm extremely lazy?

As for the 20/40 game - I'm finding it to be solid at times and very good at others. I've posted some of the hands that exemplify how it can be very good.