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ryanghall
09-03-2005, 08:53 PM
Empire 400NL. We're 7 handed.

Villain (42/10/2.5) has $204, I cover.

I get A /images/graemlins/spade.gif J /images/graemlins/spade.gif in the BB.

2 folds, Villain raises to $14. Folded to me, I call.

Flop is 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I check, Villain bets $22. I call.

Turn is 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I bet $45. Villain calls.

River is J /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I check, Villain bets $45. I call.

Like or dislike?

Ryan

george w of poker
09-04-2005, 04:01 AM
like

PoBoy321
09-04-2005, 04:46 AM
Seems like a good line, although I would probably lead on the flpo.

ryanghall
09-04-2005, 10:32 AM
Why? What purpose does this serve? I don't want to fold out non-ace hands when I'm almost guaranteed to make a bet off them do I?

TheWorstPlayer
09-04-2005, 10:35 AM
VB river. He can't raise with a worse hand with the 9s paired.

ryanghall
09-04-2005, 10:37 AM
He can't raise w/ AQ here? Why would he think I have a 9. I'm generally viewed as pretty tight btw.

TheWorstPlayer
09-04-2005, 10:40 AM
AQ beats you. And you called a raise in the BB, your range certainly includes hands with 9s.

ryanghall
09-04-2005, 10:44 AM
I know AQ beats me... and that's the hand I'm worried about which is one of the reasons I'm check calling instead of betting.

Perhaps betting out is best... if I bet out, how much would you recommend and I'm guessing that I have to fold to a raise, right?

TheWorstPlayer
09-04-2005, 10:59 AM
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If you check/call you are going to be putting money in only when you're behind because he'll check behind with anything you beat but value bet anything that beats you. So it's better to value bet it yourself because you can safely fold to a raise. Bet as much as he'll call with AK. I probably bet $75.

Edit: Didn't realise he was so short stacked. Now that I re-read the OP, I probably bet more on the turn and just push the river. Or else bet less on the turn so there is room to fold the river. But I'm really not looking to fold a good two pair heads up with only 50bb stacks. I like PSB on turn, push river.

ryanghall
09-04-2005, 11:36 AM
He had K /images/graemlins/spade.gif 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif and MHING.

Ryan

TheWorstPlayer
09-04-2005, 11:40 AM
Not to seem too results oriented or anything, but I thought his initially and for some reason didn't mention it: I usually raise or fold preflop in this situation. If I think it's likely enough for villain to be opening light here, I re-raise, if not, I fold. If it's multi-way I'll call though.

spahk
09-04-2005, 11:56 AM
i hate raising oop with hands like this. you just can't know where you stand if he calls you. for this particular hand, i like either a lead or cr on the flop. i'm not sure what the point of calling the flop and then leading the turn is. maybe there is a reason to do it. explain it to me?

ryanghall
09-04-2005, 11:58 AM
CR lets him get off real easy. Only better hands call you when you CR.

TheWorstPlayer
09-04-2005, 11:59 AM
It looks weaker and will get paid off by all aces.

MINETZ
09-04-2005, 12:14 PM
I think you need to re raise or fold, you are playing a trouble hand out of position, you get a good flop and feel compelled to check call, i think you either need to check raise the flop or lead it.
Noah