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09-03-2005, 03:03 PM
***** Hand History for Game 2646741668 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:15415538 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, September 03, 14:49:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 35058 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 7: cthr1981 ( $800 )
Seat 3: winther333 ( $800 )
Seat 10: catamount222 ( $800 )
Seat 6: cdawg33 ( $800 )
Seat 8: HERO ( $800 )
Seat 9: luckyhound ( $800 )
Seat 2: tboneyed ( $800 )
Seat 4: dkol23 ( $800 )
Seat 1: Zinger88 ( $800 )
Seat 5: slugginbeerz ( $800 )
Trny:15415538 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 7c Td ]
catamount222 folds.
Zinger88 calls [15].
tboneyed folds.
winther333 folds.
dkol23 folds.
slugginbeerz folds.
cdawg33 folds.
cthr1981 folds.
HERO calls [5].
luckyhound checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 9d, Th ]
HERO bets [45].
luckyhound calls [45].
Zinger88 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
HERO bets [150].
luckyhound raises [300].
HERO folds.
luckyhound does not show cards.
luckyhound wins 585 chips


***** Hand History for Game 2646746550 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:15415538 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, September 03, 14:50:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 35058 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 7: cthr1981 ( $800 )
Seat 3: winther333 ( $800 )
Seat 10: catamount222 ( $800 )
Seat 6: cdawg33 ( $800 )
Seat 8: HERO ( $590 )
Seat 9: luckyhound ( $1025 )
Seat 2: tboneyed ( $800 )
Seat 4: dkol23 ( $800 )
Seat 1: Zinger88 ( $785 )
Seat 5: slugginbeerz ( $800 )
Trny:15415538 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Td Th ]
Zinger88 folds.
tboneyed raises [80].
winther333 folds.
dkol23 folds.
slugginbeerz folds.
cdawg33 folds.
cthr1981 folds.
HERO calls [80].
luckyhound folds.
catamount222 calls [65].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Kd, 9h ]
catamount222 checks.
tboneyed bets [80].
HERO folds.
catamount222 folds.
tboneyed does not show cards.
tboneyed wins 330 chips


Please evaluate....

bluefeet
09-03-2005, 05:02 PM
#1: I'm in the "complete w/ just about any" camp in L1...but this flop is not one i'm leading into - I'm not even calling a small bet. You have middle-pair - not enough. Not even close on this flop. It's quite possible that you are already drawing dead. Firing into this flop will rarely gain you any information. Folks with draws are calling...folks with the nut are not raising - yet. The turn card is NOT a good card for you. It only gave you the courage to fire another shot. Spend your 5chips looking to flop 2-pair or better...you'll be looking to check/fold most everything else. On those occasions where we do hit the dream flop, a check/raise line is prefered IMO.

#2: Meh...dunno. Almost a 6x from early position. Tough call. At the 10's...this could easily be a PP < TT. I might be tempted to push over on this one - seems a bit reckless though. Calling isn't horrible, but I don't know how we're proceeding on a flop. Well, I guess I do, but don't I don't know how much less reckless your options are here either. You fold to a sizable lead w/ overs - simple enough. Do we push over a sizable lead with under? If he is holding a small pocket pair, you're possibly facing a set on a "perfect" flop of all unders. But he could have something like AK too. And then there's the chance that he is in fact holding PP >TT. I guess if a push at SOME POINT is our option, and if he is NOT folding to a push from you PF...we may as well see the flop - taking the ultimate gamble w/ unders, still holding t500 when we fold to a lead w/ overs.

09-04-2005, 02:26 AM
thanks for your feedback.

in the first hand, i was not hoping to draw to anything, it was simply a semi-bluff steal attempt. do you think that's a horrible play? i know there's hardly anything in the pot, but up against 1 opponent and the big blind i figure i have a pretty good chance at taking it. a little loose-aggressive perhaps, but i find it often works. after he calls me, i basically am planning on check/folding all the way, but when i make two pair on the turn i figured it was worth another (bigger) bet. obviously, it cost me.

second hand... yeah. you know i hated that spot. would've felt like an 85 year-old retiree had i folded preflop. on the other hand, it was still too early to push with a less than premium hand. so i called and played it for set/overpair value. i had neither on the flop, so i had to let it go. (edit: after re-reading your post, i see what you're getting at. you're saying, even if i did flop an overpair, would i push after a sizeable lead bet on the flop? tough call. thus, maybe i should've folded preflop. however, that's assuming i WILL be facing a sizable lead bet post flop. preflop, there's obviously no way to know that. it's just as likely it's checked to me after the flop with alll undercards. thus, i don't feel terrible about the call, but it was borderline.)

illunious
09-04-2005, 02:48 AM
I probably bet a little less than pot on the turn in the 1st hand, but I think these were both played fine.

stanzee
09-04-2005, 03:43 AM
Hand 2: Be the aggresor.. Bluefeet suggested maybe pushing over the top with TT preflop.. like it.. don't give the bastards at the 10+1's the chance to bluff you out on the flop. Get all your chips in preflop! He'll probably fold, or call you with A9 or 77 making you clear favorite. Even if he has AK you're still slight favorite preflop, so at worst you'll be a coin flip, and that's if he even calls.

runner4life7
09-04-2005, 03:48 AM
yeah, you dont want to be taking coin flips early in the game. Maybe I'm too tight but I toss the 10s here. And in the first hand no way im betting the turn and while I'm ok with the flop bet I wouldnt do that either.

45suited
09-04-2005, 04:01 AM
I would have had t770 after the 2nd hand if I was in your shoes.

Hand 1: Why would you bet that flop? You have middle pair on a coordinated board. I'm check / folding that flop.

Hand 2: Too big of raise from EP to call when you're going to be playing your tens for set value.

lem45216
09-04-2005, 06:39 AM
Yeah i would have just checked/folded the the first flop. Though then again, if he checked too, giving me that 7, i still might have bet the 2 pair, but once re-raised would've probably let it go. hmmm.

Hand 2: I still kinda play quite religously by the 'How to Beat Party $11s' guide which makes calling the 5BB a no no as i'm only playing the tens for set/overpair value.

09-04-2005, 11:16 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Hand 2: Be the aggresor.. Bluefeet suggested maybe pushing over the top with TT preflop.. like it.. don't give the bastards at the 10+1's the chance to bluff you out on the flop. Get all your chips in preflop!

[/ QUOTE ]

whenever i see somebody push preflop on level 1 and flip over a hand like pocket 10s i think to myself "christ, who are these people?" i like your balls, but.... it's a bit early for me to risk my stack with a likely coinflip hand.

Burno
09-04-2005, 11:47 AM
Listen, I know you are infallible and have absolutely no room for improvement in SNG's, but pushing TT on level 1 over the top of a 5X BB raise from UTG+1(who appears to have not played a hand until now) is just stupid.

Unless you have a killer read that this guy is a megadonk, this is at best a breakeven proposition, though I really like how you put him on A9 or 77 and have him calling with both, because, it's like impossible for this guy to have a hand that crushes TT.