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mulebennett
09-03-2005, 11:51 AM
Last night I was in a $2,500 players club freeroll on Party, and it was getting to the extreme bubble (32-33 remain, 30 paid). I was on the very short stack and was going to see two rounds before I was officially blinded dead. At the other table this happened and everybody--including me--flipped out on this guy because it smelled like chip dumping. But then I got to thinking, what is the actual definition of chip dumping? Does there have to be a relationship between dumper and dumpee for it to be considered actual dumping?

Here's the hand to the best of my memory.

Blinds are 4000/8000.
10 handed, 8 fold around to small blind.
Small blind has stack of 4414 after posting small blind. He goes all in for a total of 8414 chips. It's 414 chips for BB to call (BB's stack is ~75,000 at this point) and win 16,000 chips.

414 chips to call into 16000 pot. By my math (16k/414), he's getting more than 38.5 to 1 to call. He says "3 7 offsuit, sorry guys, wish I could call." and proceeds to fold. I was angry because this greatly diminished my chances of winning, and there are no two cards in the deck nearly close to a 38.5 to 1 underdog preflop. Does this sound like chip dumping to you?

AlphaWice
09-03-2005, 11:56 AM
be thankful that those boneheads are gonna make you money.

he should call even if he was dealt two jokers.

Dave D
09-03-2005, 12:03 PM
Not chip dumping, just stupidity.

MeanGreenTT
09-03-2005, 12:04 PM
Probably not collusion but most likely the donkiest play I've read about in a while!

Try this one (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3138924&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1) on for size!

JaBlue
09-03-2005, 12:41 PM
This is a valid play if he feels he can make more by extending the bubble than the EV in the current hand.

Given that this was a freeroll, he's probably just an idiot.

tom441lbk
09-03-2005, 01:40 PM
i'd call with a single deuce, in fact, i'd call without any cards cuz you are probably better than 38.5-1 to split

-Tom

TomHimself
09-03-2005, 01:49 PM
mean green you need to get over that hand man

MeanGreenTT
09-03-2005, 04:29 PM
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mean green you need to get over that hand man

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Just used it as reference, but thanks for the advice.

XXXNoahXXX
09-03-2005, 04:56 PM
I've seen this sort of thing done in Step Tournies on the bubble, let alone free rolls. In one case in a step 1, the top 2 moved on and it was 3-handed. Stacks of 1050, 1270, 5K+. Blinds were 500/1000 and BB was 5K and folded for the extra 50 saying "I want you two to fight it out". Definitely a dick move, but not as uncommon as you'd think.

mulebennett
09-03-2005, 05:43 PM
So it's looking more like a dumb play and not chip dumping? I don't know why anybody wouldn't call this... I'd call in the dark without thinking about it. His stack was 75k and above average, but if he got 16k more he would have been in great shape to make the final table. Oh well, can't complain 'cause I still made it to the money /images/graemlins/grin.gif

09-03-2005, 06:01 PM
Thats just stupid. As everyone have said, 400 into a 16,000 pot is really sweet. I'd call this with no cards in my hand. You get the point...