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09-02-2005, 10:22 PM
Early in the tourney, so no reads


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t285)
MP3 (t760)
Hero (t1225)
Button (t770)
SB (t785)
BB (t1820)
UTG (t770)
UTG+1 (t800)
MP1 (t785)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, Hero calls t15, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t87.50) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>

Hero bets t150
UTG goes all in for 655 more

(sorry, converter wasn't working right, everyone else folds)

Hero???

09-02-2005, 10:29 PM
Depends on the buy in, I call at the $11s and think about it at the $22s...then call.

Freudian
09-02-2005, 10:36 PM
Why bet 150 into a pot of 90?

I'd probably lean towards folding. When you have six random hands seeing a flop there is a pretty good chance someone hits two pair. If it's a donk I'll call.

09-02-2005, 10:36 PM
party poker 10+1

The buy in was part of my problem.... at this level, what's his range for pushing?

09-02-2005, 10:43 PM
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Since so many people saw the flop, and it's a 10+1, I wasn't sure a pot bet would get rid of the draws....

I assume you are suggesting a smaller raise preflop. If I raise to t75, how does this affect calling the all-in. (I'm still a bit new the SnG's, and I have about 75 leaks I'm trying to plug all at once....hell, there not leaks; water's comin' in over the sides)

introv
09-02-2005, 10:46 PM
Why did you bet 150 into a 90 chip pot? That's no good as it has really muddied the situation imo. Your opponent can no longer raise without committing almost half of his stack, so his push all-in could mean many different things, some of which are slightly favourable, others of which are pretty horrible.

I'd probably fold, depends on the buyin I guess. I just dont like committing all my chips so early on a single pair when I havent even had the slightest chance to evaluate my opponents hand.

Edit: a $10 huh! Oooh I dunno now. Bah, I wouldnt have committed so many chips to it in the first place (in an unraised pot) so I think I'd kick myself for doing that first and fold. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Oluwafemi
09-02-2005, 11:03 PM
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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, Hero raises t50

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durron597
09-02-2005, 11:08 PM
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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, Hero raises t80

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Oluwafemi
09-02-2005, 11:11 PM
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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, Hero raises t50

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bones
09-02-2005, 11:36 PM
What purpose does raising to 50 serve?

09-02-2005, 11:50 PM
what good is limping with AQs? Gives the field way too many chances to hit their hand. Get lost real easy in this situation

bones
09-02-2005, 11:53 PM
I didn't advocate limping. Making it 50 after 2 limpers is fairly pointless.

09-02-2005, 11:59 PM
i don't appreciate you posting a picture of MY g/f on YOUR profile. But a raise is in order here, and 50 isn't really going to do the trick. I'd say 100 straight would limit them. Again, what is with all these pop ups? Great googly moogly

Oluwafemi
09-03-2005, 12:01 AM
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What purpose does raising to 50 serve?

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what purpose does limping serve?

whether it's 50 or 80, i believe you end up being less befuddled with this hand [still assuming multiple callers consistent with $10 + 1 games] when UTG goes all-in. say the pot on the flop is now:

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it now represents alot more of UTG's stack. if you bet t350 and he reraises all-in, what's your play? it would be an easy call for me.

but betting t150 into an t87.50 pot on the flop when you failed to show any aggression beforehand, then get reraised all-in, why make it harder on yourself?

09-03-2005, 12:23 AM
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i don't appreciate you posting a picture of MY g/f on YOUR profile.

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What I want to know is why you call the girl I'm bangin' your girlfriend......

Also, is AQs really a strong enough hand to raise this mch preflop. How exactly does it define my and/or my opponent's hand?

nil

09-03-2005, 12:43 AM
bones has by far the sexiest avatar ever...and i like the t50 raise, it should force out some hands that considered limping, and it keeps the pot relatively small when you miss or catch some crazy draw. The oversized pot bet is not good IMO, for reasons already stated.

Pudge714
09-03-2005, 01:12 AM
I think you have to call at the 10's most people are playing ax, not to mention people pushing with a flush draw, just way too many hands you are ahead of, and the only hands beating you are AA(unlikely) 77, 33, AK(Unlikely), A7, A3, and 73(Very unlikely)

bones
09-03-2005, 01:16 AM
The difference between 50 and 80 is significant. 50 doesn't clear anything up, because not only are the EP limpers priced in to call, but so is any pair after you.

09-03-2005, 01:17 AM
Mistake number one is not raising pre-flop. I'd like to know how the hand ended, but I'm sure He flopped two pair. Most likely, A7. It's entirely possible he moved with a flush draw, maybe he had Kx of spades in his hand, but I'd bet on the ace seven. Maybe ace three suited. If he held either of those hands, a good player would have probably folded to a raise pre-flop (you did say this was early, right?).
Mistake number two is betting so much on the flop. It looks like you're trying to buy it and a lot of low-limit players will move in on you with a decent draw like the flush draw because if they think you're trying to buy it, you can't call that.
Just, from now on, late position, unraised, you gotta take the lead with a hand like aq suited. It helps you define your opponents hands on the later streets.
I hope you didn't call the all-in.

09-03-2005, 01:34 AM
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I'd like to know how the hand ended, but I'm sure He flopped two pair. Most likely, A7. It's entirely possible he moved with a flush draw, maybe he had Kx of spades in his hand, but I'd bet on the ace seven. Maybe ace three suited. If he held either of those hands, a good player would have probably folded to a raise pre-flop (you did say this was early, right?).
I hope you didn't call the all-in.

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I didn't call. I folded. He showed his cards...
Results in white:

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09-03-2005, 02:19 PM
I'm sorry, what were the cards?