3/6 6m AK river

[jason_t]

38.8/12/1.2 nothing remarkable up until this point.

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Preflop: I am Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">I bet</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, MP folds.

Turn: (6 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">I bet</font>, SB folds, UTG calls.

River: (8 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, I

[Lmn55d]

call, you can't fold and raising isn't a very good value proposition imo.

[jason_t]

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call, you can't fold and raising isn't a very good value proposition imo.

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Clearly this is where the decision is. Elaborate, please.

[NLSoldier]

i think its an easy raise. he probably has A4 or something and is all excited about his 3 pair.

[wheelz]

Would he really call the whole way with just a weak ace? I'm afraid of the backdoor clubs... I'd call

I think it's close. It's either 3 pair or a flush I guess, but a flush costs you 2 more BB, 3 pair you win one more.

[baronzeus]

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excited about his 3 pair.

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hah. this one made me smile.


I raise too, but I haven't had great results doing so yet /images/graemlins/frown.gif. I'll chalk it up to sample size.


The line he used looks a lot like a weak ace IMO.

[kurosh]

Is this turn bet standard? Fold to a CR I assume? I guess 3/6 isn't as aggressive as 10/20.

[jason_t]

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Is this turn bet standard? Fold to a CR I assume? I guess 3/6 isn't as aggressive as 10/20.

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I thought for awhile before making this bet but I think have the best hand here a lot and I may fold out a weak pair and just get left with some retarded draws like QT. If I get check/raised it's a super easy fold at 3/6 (usually).

[bugstud]

I'm liking a raise though I feel v sick on a threebet

[NLSoldier]

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I'm liking a raise though I feel v sick on a threebet

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i think its an easy fold to a 3bet.

[NLSoldier]

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Is this turn bet standard? Fold to a CR I assume? I guess 3/6 isn't as aggressive as 10/20.

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I thought for awhile before making this bet but I think have the best hand here a lot and I may fold out a weak pair and just get left with some retarded draws like QT. If I get c/r it's a super easy fold at 3/6 (usually).

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dont kid yourself, hes not folding any pair when the top card on the bourd pairs. I still like your bet though.

[jason_t]

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Is this turn bet standard? Fold to a CR I assume? I guess 3/6 isn't as aggressive as 10/20.

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I thought for awhile before making this bet but I think have the best hand here a lot and I may fold out a weak pair and just get left with some retarded draws like QT. If I get c/r it's a super easy fold at 3/6 (usually).

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dont kid yourself, hes not folding any pair when the top card on the bourd pairs. I still like your bet though.

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Do you mind elaborating?

[PokerBob]

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Is this turn bet standard? Fold to a CR I assume? I guess 3/6 isn't as aggressive as 10/20.

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I thought for awhile before making this bet but I think have the best hand here a lot and I may fold out a weak pair and just get left with some retarded draws like QT. If I get c/r it's a super easy fold at 3/6 (usually).

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dont kid yourself, hes not folding any pair when the top card on the bourd pairs. I still like your bet though.

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Do you mind elaborating?

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if villain has a small pair, the turn card changed nothing. if he was behind, he's still behind.

[jason_t]

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dont kid yourself, hes not folding any pair when the top card on the bourd pairs. I still like your bet though.

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Do you mind elaborating?

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if villain has a small pair, the turn card changed nothing. if he was behind, he's still behind.

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How about the liking of the bet?

[NLSoldier]

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Is this turn bet standard? Fold to a CR I assume? I guess 3/6 isn't as aggressive as 10/20.

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I thought for awhile before making this bet but I think have the best hand here a lot and I may fold out a weak pair and just get left with some retarded draws like QT. If I get c/r it's a super easy fold at 3/6 (usually).

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dont kid yourself, hes not folding any pair when the top card on the bourd pairs. I still like your bet though.

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Do you mind elaborating?

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guys always calldown when the board pairs. they just do. especially since the jack was the card he was most scared of on the flop, but now that theres 2 of em out there, hes not that worried about it anymore.

I like your bet because in addition to any pair, he will also call with tons of other random crap. And Id rather bet now and take a free showdown than call a river bet after checking through on the turn. If he CRs the turn you are drawing dead most of the time anyways so folding doesnt hurt you.

[PokerBob]

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dont kid yourself, hes not folding any pair when the top card on the bourd pairs. I still like your bet though.

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Do you mind elaborating?

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if villain has a small pair, the turn card changed nothing. if he was behind, he's still behind.

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How about the liking of the bet?

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there are no draws there. i think you are behind, so take the free one. HU i think it's ok, but with 2 dudes in there, 1 of 'em has to have you beat

[jason_t]

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How about the liking of the bet?

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there are no draws there. i think you are behind, so take the free one. HU i think it's ok, but with 2 dudes in there, 1 of 'em has to have you beat

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One says bet, the other says don't bet.... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[NLSoldier]

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How about the liking of the bet?

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there are no draws there. i think you are behind, so take the free one. HU i think it's ok, but with 2 dudes in there, 1 of 'em has to have you beat

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One says bet, the other says don't bet.... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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they overestimate what it takes for people to call a flop bet.

[PokerBob]

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How about the liking of the bet?

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there are no draws there. i think you are behind, so take the free one. HU i think it's ok, but with 2 dudes in there, 1 of 'em has to have you beat

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One says bet, the other says don't bet.... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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well, i suck.

[oreogod]

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How about the liking of the bet?

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there are no draws there. i think you are behind, so take the free one. HU i think it's ok, but with 2 dudes in there, 1 of 'em has to have you beat

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One says bet, the other says don't bet.... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I think it really depends on the game. In situations like this if I am your opponent I will sometimes CR clubs or the turned J (when I either have something like KQ or low pp). Not all the time, but I do it to mix things up and it seems to work well.

I see u getting semi bluffed here somtimes, I dont really think anyone is folding. Still little torn on what Id do...I probably bet this 50/50ish actually. Obviously if my opponents are tricky/aggressive Im checking behind.

As far as the river. He called on the flop, he either has an 8 or 4 maybe w/ A or K kicker...or a busted str8 draw...some of the time he might back into a bd draw...but I raise here. (again depends, Ive seen opponents play 3 jacks like this but w/ no specific read I raise). Obviously a raise doesnt have much value if he has the busted draw.

I think I played this post like a politician...not really giving an either/or (good album by the way).

[NLSoldier]

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As far as the river. He called on the flop, he either has an 8 or 4 maybe w/ A or K kicker...or a busted str8 draw...

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or any ace or any K or any Q