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tylerdurden

09-02-2005, 09:50 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.fema.brown/

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The director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Thursday those New Orleans residents who chose not to heed warnings to evacuate before Hurricane Katrina bear some responsibility for their fates.

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Translation: the government admits it is incapable of helping you.

BeerMoney

09-02-2005, 10:00 AM

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The director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Thursday those New Orleans residents who chose not to heed warnings to evacuate before Hurricane Katrina bear some responsibility for their fates.

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Translation: the government admits it is incapable of helping you.

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Don't you think so many storms have been overhyped, the people probably just thought they were safe?

Broken Glass Can

09-02-2005, 10:03 AM

The government will NOT save you

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tylerdurden

09-02-2005, 10:12 AM

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Don't you think so many storms have been overhyped, the people probably just thought they were safe?

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Possibly, for some of them. Many had no way to leave. It doesn't matter *why* they stayed, the fact is the government agencies couldn't perform the tasks they were designed to do when it counted.

SheetWise

09-02-2005, 10:14 AM

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Don't you think so many storms have been overhyped, the people probably just thought they were safe?

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Wouldn't want to overhype the probability of your opponent having a flush. Your set is safe. Bet away.

09-02-2005, 10:28 AM

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The government will NOT save you

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C'mon Broken don't be foolish. You don't have any friends.

Broken Glass Can

09-02-2005, 10:32 AM

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The government will NOT save you

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C'mon Broken don't be foolish. You don't have any friends.

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Why are you trying to run down my self-esteem?

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09-02-2005, 10:35 AM

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The government will NOT save you

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C'mon Broken don't be foolish. You don't have any friends.

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Why are you trying to run down my self-esteem?

I thought you cared about my psychological well-being. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I lied.

cadillac1234

09-02-2005, 10:36 AM

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The director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Thursday those New Orleans residents who chose not to heed warnings to evacuate before Hurricane Katrina bear some responsibility for their fates.

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Translation: the government admits it is incapable of helping you.

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Let's make sure FEMA remembers this when they ask for their $30B+ in 2006

MtSmalls

09-02-2005, 10:51 AM

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Translation: THIS government admits it is incapable of helping you.

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FYP.

MMMMMM

09-02-2005, 11:01 AM

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FYP.

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How about the 10K+ people who died of the heat during a fairly recent summer heat wave in France (was it last year?) Government didn't save them over there either. Methinks government just isn't all that great at saving people during major crises.

jokerthief

09-02-2005, 11:06 AM

My opinion on this whole mess is that the government could have helped but it choose not to.

cardcounter0

09-02-2005, 11:07 AM

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mackthefork

09-02-2005, 11:08 AM

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FYP.

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How about the 10K+ people who died of the heat during a fairly recent summer heat wave in France (was it last year?) Government didn't save them over there either. Methinks government just isn't all that great at saving people during major crises.

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The last thing people need is the government trying to save them, let someone who cares do it instead. The government are much better at shooting people than saving them, and people basically will do the best they can in spite of government and not because of them.

Mack

09-02-2005, 11:11 AM

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nh, sir

cardcounter0

09-02-2005, 11:13 AM

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Bush was in El Mirage to promote a new Medicare prescription drug benefit that becomes available in January, but he said he knew the crowd would want him to address illegal immigration - a comment that elicited a groan from those gathered in a community building at a mobile home park here.

Bush said he spoke to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff yesterday about the issue. "I said, 'Are you working with the governor?' You bet we are," Bush said. "That's the most effective way to do things: to work with the state and local authorities."

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Then there was always time for this photo op:

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Lestat

09-02-2005, 11:56 AM

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Don't you think so many storms have been overhyped, the people probably just thought they were safe?

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Possibly, for some of them. Many had no way to leave. It doesn't matter *why* they stayed, the fact is the government agencies couldn't perform the tasks they were designed to do when it counted.

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But should the bulk of the blame be leveled at FEMA and the US governement? I think the LOCAL governements should be more disgraced! Didn't it ever dawn on them that an event such as this was possible when you have population living on the Gulf coast BELOW sea level?

All I hear are the governor and mayor leveling blame at the Feds. It's THEIR state and city yet they seemingly had no emergency plans in place for such an event. They sent people to shelters and then abandoned them! Their own law enforcement is turning in their badges. C'mom! If there's a disgrace it comes from the people of the State and New Orleans proper, NOT the Federal governement (even though I do think they were not quick enough in their response).

Edge34

09-02-2005, 11:59 AM

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My opinion on this whole mess is that the government could have helped but it choose not to.

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Methinks you need to focus on being more informed before you decide to stand on really, really idiotic opinions.

Government chose not to help...which is why there's all kinds of shelters open, choppers bringingin supplies,buses attempting to take peopleout of New Orleans that either couldn't leave or were too stupid to...yep, no help whatsoever.

tylerdurden

09-02-2005, 12:01 PM

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FYP.

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How about the 10K+ people who died of the heat during a fairly recent summer heat wave in France (was it last year?) Government didn't save them over there either. Methinks government just isn't all that great at saving people during major crises.

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The last thing people need is the government trying to save them, let someone who cares do it instead. The government are much better at shooting people than saving them, and people basically will do the best they can in spite of government and not because of them.

Mack

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True. The point is there is an entire bureaucracy dedicated to handling these types of situations, and they've show just how incompetent they are.

tylerdurden

09-02-2005, 12:02 PM

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Don't you think so many storms have been overhyped, the people probably just thought they were safe?

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Possibly, for some of them. Many had no way to leave. It doesn't matter *why* they stayed, the fact is the government agencies couldn't perform the tasks they were designed to do when it counted.

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But should the bulk of the blame be leveled at FEMA and the US governement? I think the LOCAL governements should be more disgraced! Didn't it ever dawn on them that an event such as this was possible when you have population living on the Gulf coast BELOW sea level?

All I hear are the governor and mayor leveling blame at the Feds. It's THEIR state and city yet they seemingly had no emergency plans in place for such an event. They sent people to shelters and then abandoned them! Their own law enforcement is turning in their badges. C'mom! If there's a disgrace it comes from the people of the State and New Orleans proper, NOT the Federal governement (even though I do think they were not quick enough in their response).

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Agree - local agencies should be more disgraced. The response plan for the mayor and governor was to get on TV, say "this is the big one, get the hell out" and then to get on TV and cry about no help coming.

cadillac1234

09-02-2005, 12:39 PM

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Agree - local agencies should be more disgraced. The response plan for the mayor and governor was to get on TV, say "this is the big one, get the hell out" and then to get on TV and cry about no help coming.

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WTF else is he supposed to do?

Believe me if any city in America is prepared to take on unruly mobs it's NO and they have been completely overwhelmed. Getting 1.3 million people out of a city with 2 major hi-ways in 48 hours is a near impossible task.

This is beyond a scope anyone has ever seen happen to an American city since the Civil War. The city needed at least 20K Nat'l Guard on the ground within 48 hours.

Blaming the mayor of NO is like blaming a seargent in the 1st Marine division for the problems in Iraq.

tylerdurden

09-02-2005, 01:38 PM

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WTF else is he supposed to do?

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Plan? There was NO communication plan for the police. They admitted they had no idea what to do. There was NO plan to monitor the levies. There was NO plan for dealing with the thousands of people that were unable to evacuate on their own. There was NO plan for supplying those people after the storm, and there was NO plan for supplying the responders, either.

The plan was to A) hope nothing happens and B) hope that if something does happen that someone else will come and fix it.

cadillac1234

09-02-2005, 01:58 PM

When the communications system goes down and 1/3 of your police force on the ground is MIA there is not a helluva lot you can do...

But go ahead and blame everyone else for FEMAs inaction.

SheetWise

09-02-2005, 02:00 PM

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When the communications system goes down and 1/3 of your police force on the ground is MIA there is not a helluva lot you can do...

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You can anticipate it.

mackthefork

09-02-2005, 02:01 PM

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Translation: THIS government admits it is incapable of helping you.

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FYP.

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How about the 10K+ people who died of the heat during a fairly recent summer heat wave in France (was it last year?) Government didn't save them over there either. Methinks government just isn't all that great at saving people during major crises.

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The last thing people need is the government trying to save them, let someone who cares do it instead. The government are much better at shooting people than saving them, and people basically will do the best they can in spite of government and not because of them.

Mack

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True. The point is there is an entire bureaucracy dedicated to handling these types of situations, and they've show just how incompetent they are.

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Don't get me wrong I hope they can do something to help these people. What i do believe is they should make sure they follow Sklansky's basic rule for good poker literature; first, do no harm. It's a good rule.

Regards Mack

SheetWise

09-02-2005, 02:06 PM

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first, do no harm ...

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Too late.

cadillac1234

09-02-2005, 02:08 PM

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When the communications system goes down and 1/3 of your police force on the ground is MIA there is not a helluva lot you can do...

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You can anticipate it.

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You are naive at best if you think ANY local government could have handled the 'Worst National Disaster in History' any better than the local police in NOLA has.

They were completely overwhelmed as would be any local police force.

FEMA is there for a reason. They are supposed to take over in major disasters. They are charged with that duty and Bush declared a FEDERAL emergency 2 days prior to Katrina's landfall. No excuses for this kind of delay.