How are the Party 15/30 full tables these days?

[adamstewart]

Profitable?

Very profitable?

LAG? TAG? ....



Anyone prefer them as opposed to the 10/20 SH?



Adam

[bicyclekick]

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Profitable?

Very profitable?

LAG? TAG? ....



Adam

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They aren't good. Not a lot dif than the 30's. The shorts are hit or miss and a little better.

[MicroBob]

do we pretty much think this is a consequence of all the rich-fish migrating to the 20/40 and 30/60 games?

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

i would assume they are relativley soft, like ~99.7% of all poker games.

[ihardlyknowher]

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i would assume they are relativley soft, like ~99.7% of all poker games.

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I just saw someone call on the river with 5-high. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[wheelz]

not quite 5 high, but...

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes. (BB is all in)

Flop: (2.86 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (2.43 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (4.43 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 6.43 BB

Results:
Hero has Qc Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Button has 5d 6c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.43 BB.

[ihardlyknowher]

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not quite 5 high, but...

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes. (BB is all in)

Flop: (2.86 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (2.43 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (4.43 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 6.43 BB

Results:
Hero has Qc Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Button has 5d 6c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.43 BB.

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I think when we played poker at age 11, 4 to a straight could beat a pair (we called it a small straight). Apparently, this guy still plays by those rules. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bicyclekick]

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i would assume they are relativley soft, like ~99.7% of all poker games.

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Well sure. But they aren't like they were 6 months ago before the 30 games went unlimited.

[stigmata]

I've been dabbling with them recently. These are my thoughts from my fairly limited experience:

For me, a good table has VPIP 30%, with perhaps one true donator, and a couple of semi-bad players. The rest are TAGs of variable skill. You can occasionally find a truly good table.

I'm running over 1BB/100 (small sample size), but I don't think an average player like myslelf is going to push beyond 2 very easily, if ever.

10/20 6-max is far more profitable. However, I do enjoy the 15/30 full more -- it's a nice change of pace and more relaxed. If you have the bankroll, I would say just give it a go when your feeling good about it or need a break from 6-max.

I had some "develocitisation" problems when I first moved back to full table from 6-max. I had to keep chanting the mantra to myself "AJo is not a monster, AJo is not a monster........".

[MaxPower]

After having played the 30s for a while and having gone back to 15 and 20, the 15 games are a lot easier than the 30 games.

The 30 games are tighter on average. The good players in the 30 games are really good. It is true that the well known superfish have all moved up to the 30 games, but there are plenty to take their place.

As always you need to be game selective.

[baronzeus]

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They aren't good. Not a lot dif than the 30's. The shorts are hit or miss and a little better.

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I've been dabbling in the short handed full tables and have found them to be quite good, even when they fill up.

[bobbyi]

How does the 15 compare to the 20? People always describe it in terms of the 30, so I can't tell. Do the 15 and 20 bascially play the same? Are there lots of people who float back and forth between the two games?

[MaxPower]

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How does the 15 compare to the 20? People always describe it in terms of the 30, so I can't tell. Do the 15 and 20 bascially play the same? Are there lots of people who float back and forth between the two games?

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I don't play the 20 much. I only sit at a table if I have a particular reason, so I am usually in good games with a good seat. I do the same thing with the 30 games

I do see a lot of the same players in both games.

[Nietzsche]

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not quite 5 high, but...

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes. (BB is all in)

Flop: (2.86 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (2.43 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (4.43 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 6.43 BB

Results:
Hero has Qc Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Button has 5d 6c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.43 BB.

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Hey, not fair to berate him for that. He almost had a straight. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[yanicehand]

In my experience of about 20k of each (almost all shorthanded, but some full) the 20 is much much better game than the 15 game. More live ones up there, but also much more tricky opponents.

[Nick B.]

omg, I can't believe people think the 20's are easier than the 15's.