I hate short stack

[MINETZ]

200 NL, no reads on opponent
I limp in EP with TT, folds to short stack who goes AI for 48, call or fold?

[MINETZ]

no one?

[AllIn3High]

What's wrong with folding?

[wdeadwyler]

Fold, you are dominating the VERY low end of his hand range, and the rest of it is racing you and way ahead.

[MINETZ]

how many shortstacks do u see go allin with jj-aa and how many do u see raising 3x BB with them?

[Allinlife]

instah call

shorties push with very wide range of hands.

[AllIn3High]

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instah call

shorties push with very wide range of hands.

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He's not ultra-short. And even though they are pushing a wide array of hands I don't think it's an "insta-call".

Giving short stack a very wide range

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 55.3640 % [ 00.55 00.01 ] { TT }
Hand 2: 44.6360 % [ 00.44 00.01 ] { AA-77, AKs-A9s, KQs-KJs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KJo }

It's pretty darn close, you don't need to take out many of the weakest holdings to make this -EV.

But if I feel like gamb00ling I might call.

[Allinlife]

from party, my experience with 25bb stacks says the range is closer to all pp, Ax, KT+, QT+ and some random suited garbage.

[MINETZ]

aa-qq isnt in his range

[wdeadwyler]

Why should we call here. THe pot is meaningless. Do you have any reads on this guy. Without reads im folding everytime.

[MINETZ]

the pot is meaningless except for his stack that hes just asking to give away. do you think he has jj-aa when he does this?

[pokerjoker]

you are more or less even to 2 overcards, so basically the question is will he do this with Ax or lower pp more than JJ-AA? With absolutely no read here I fold, but its pretty rare that a short stack will give me absolutely no read unless it is the 1st-10th hand with him.

[MINETZ]

it was, and i think there is no way he pushes with jj-aa here, put him on 2 random overs, axs or a random pp.

[Bukem_]

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Why should we call here. THe pot is meaningless. Do you have any reads on this guy. Without reads im folding everytime.

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Because 95% of short stacks are attempting to go broke.

[ryanghall]

If AA-QQ isn't in his range then why the hell wouldn't you call?

If it is in his range, it's a tough one. If you've seen him do stupid stuff before, call. If not, and you see him as decent, I'd want JJ+/AK to call.

[LethalRose]

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Why should we call here. THe pot is meaningless. Do you have any reads on this guy. Without reads im folding everytime.

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Because 95% of short stacks are attempting to go broke.

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or double up and leave.

[tdomeski]

fold

why no raise pf. .

what site is this?

[Paragon]

I'd call.

TT is the killer of overcards when it comes to pairs, where it's favored 56/43 in some cases. I'd also guess villain is pushing AA/KK here as often as he is pushing suited garbage.

[wtfsvi]

I think you are wrong in saying a random shortstack doesn't have AA-QQ in his range. Except for AK, those are his most likely holdings in my experience.

You are way more likely to be dominated than to dominate if you haven't seen him do anything stupid before.

[tdomeski]

where have you seen someone push in $48 with a suited connector in an attempt to win $5? Short stacks like to call a lot with no odds and bad hands and raise with their big ones.

[mudbuddha]

i agree, even short stacks can get lucky, even if his range is alot higher,
lets say his range extends to QJ or KJ or somethin rather weak that hes just pushing bc hes short stacked,
do you want to go flip a coin with someone who would play like that?? im sure theres better spots.. probably not even 10 hands away if you see him playing badly

[Komodo]

What are the blinds? 100% read dependent. Against an unknown fold.

[FlyingStart]

I think it's this kind of reasoning that actually makes going allin with AA or KK an OK play sometimes.

I would fold this in a second

[Komodo]

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I think it's this kind of reasoning that actually makes going allin with AA or KK an OK play sometimes.

I would fold this in a second

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Ive seen donkeys move in with 62off or T7off, so I still call it "highly read dependent".

[MINETZ]

shortstacks want value out of their good hands they always make it like 5-6 with kk-aa, they dont want to shove it in with it