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08-31-2005, 11:32 PM
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, CO folds, BB calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.16 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.16 BB

gh9801
09-01-2005, 12:23 AM
I don't find one, did KJ/AJ get there?

sy_or_bust
09-01-2005, 12:34 AM
You can fold the river and feel pretty good about it, until the one time MP2 shows KcQc and BB a worse ace. Whether or not to fold the river depends completely on MP2 - if he will never raise a draw, you are never ahead to the big turn raise.

Harv72b
09-01-2005, 12:40 AM
Did you have a read on BB that led you to just call his turn donkbet? Especially with a third player in the hand, I'm raising that all day, every day. If you are then 3-bet by BB or MP2, then you can probably find a river fold unimproved.

Seriously, though...think about what BB might have:

QT: very unlikely given his flop lead.
AA/KK: very unlikely given his preflop call.
JJ: pretty unlikely given the preflop call &amp; flop lead.
AK: unlikely given his bet/call on the flop &amp; preflop call.
AJ: fairly likely to use this line. If you can get this HU, you have 9 outs to beat AJ on the river.
KJ: somewhat likely to play it this way. You have 11 outs to beat KJ.
66: might take this line given the board. You have 4 outs to beat 66.
A6: somewhat unlikely. Again, 9 outs to beat A6 on the river.

Factor in all the times he's betting into you with a weaker ace, an underpair, or some bizarre bluff, and I think this makes for a clear turn raise.

09-01-2005, 12:56 AM
"AJ: fairly likely to use this line. If you can get this HU, you have 9 outs to beat AJ on the river."

Wouldn't I have 10 outs?

3 - K's - Q kicker
4 - 10's - straight
3 - Q's - Higher 2 pair

Brunger
09-01-2005, 01:21 AM
I think that you should raise the turn as you are very unlikely to get 3-bet by anything less than a set and you could check the river if you really fear two pair. Costs the same as calling twice anyway. I don't mind folding the river on this one we are good here very very rarely without known aggros.

SavageMiser
09-01-2005, 07:25 AM
Reads? Has MP2 been cold-calling QT? I'm not folding here.