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08-31-2005, 04:23 PM
PP $11

Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: Eyedol ( $770 )
Seat 3: uclabruinz ( $760 )
Seat 1: kr36david ( $395 )
Seat 4: moomoo18_34 ( $810 )
Seat 8: ukykeeper200 ( $915 )
Seat 5: chili588 ( $315 )
Seat 2: TallThinMan ( $975 )
Seat 7: riksgirl ( $355 )
Seat 9: xxKongKingxx ( $1465 )
Seat 6: wilmeyer ( $1240 )
Blinds(10/15)
Dealt to uclabruinz [ Qh Qd ]
wilmeyer raises [30].
5 folds.
TallThinMan calls [30].
uclabruinz raises [150].
2 folds.
wilmeyer is all-In [1210]
TallThinMan folds.
uclabruinz ???

1C5
08-31-2005, 04:25 PM
up to you.
folding and calling are both good at the 11s.

I will normally fold but may call if I am tilting and not be concerned that it is a huge leak.

The problem with calling is that many of the times he doesn't have AA or KK, he will have AK and then you are still only a ~55% favorite.

08-31-2005, 04:29 PM
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up to you.
folding and calling are both good at the 11s.

I will normally fold but may call if I am tilting and not be concerned that it is a huge leak.

The problem with calling is that many of the times he doesn't have AA or KK, he will have AK and then you are still only a ~55% favorite.

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At the 11s? I'd say a very tight range to put him on is TT+, AQ+, which you're 55/45 against. Given that there's money in the pot, that many players won't do this with hands that want calls, and that he could be on a much wider range, I think this is a call.

08-31-2005, 04:29 PM
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up to you.
folding and calling are both good at the 11s.

I will normally fold but may call if I am tilting and not be concerned that it is a huge leak.

The problem with calling is that many of the times he doesn't have AA or KK, he will have AK and then you are still only a ~55% favorite.

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After thinking about it, I think you mostly have to lay this down even at the $11s. An UTG mini-raise to a re-raise all-in just smells too much like AA. Sure, could just be a fishy move, but doesn't seem like it.

I have been feeling tilty for about a week, so I called it, and of course he showed AA, which held up.

08-31-2005, 04:30 PM
I probably call figuring he has AK, AQ, or JJ or even TT...minraise utg does not scream AA or KK to me.

valejo
08-31-2005, 04:31 PM
How did the villian win his ~400 extra chips? If he has been showing a lot of loose aggressiveness, which I think could be the case here, you might want to call. If he is a LAG there's a strong chance he holds AQ or worse, and doubling up at this stage is valuable.

08-31-2005, 04:32 PM
Wish you hadn't said the results so quickly. Now I wanna say "Well, considering that he miniraised." I still think given no reads this is a call.

08-31-2005, 04:35 PM
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Wish you hadn't said the results so quickly. Now I wanna say "Well, considering that he miniraised." I still think given no reads this is a call.

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My bad. I think the mini-raise is used quite a bit by AA holdings at the $11s, hoping that at least one guy raises you giving you the opportunity to push. I used to do it myself.

J-Lo
08-31-2005, 04:47 PM
i go broke here EVERYTIME with QQ up to the $33's against unknown and $55's against known.

Hornacek
08-31-2005, 05:02 PM
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i go broke here EVERYTIME with QQ up to the $33's against unknown and $55's against known.

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Easily.

08-31-2005, 05:08 PM
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Wish you hadn't said the results so quickly. Now I wanna say "Well, considering that he miniraised." I still think given no reads this is a call.

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My bad. I think the mini-raise is used quite a bit by AA holdings at the $11s, hoping that at least one guy raises you giving you the opportunity to push. I used to do it myself.

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Yes, but I think it's also used by other hands. Even a miniraise/push is probably AA only about 20% of the time. I'd expect miniraise #2 here with AA.

sng-sam
08-31-2005, 05:10 PM
I only fold here if I am bleeding and can't crawl to the computer to click call

SAM

Uppercut
08-31-2005, 06:16 PM
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I think the mini-raise is used quite a bit by AA holdings at the $11s, hoping that at least one guy raises you giving you the opportunity to push. I used to do it myself.

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I play the $11s and in my experience, the vast majority of mini-raises are hands like A8o, KJo, etc, NOT monsters. Plus, I see these mini-raises all the flippin' time at the $11s. Sometimes, the same person will mini-raise 8-10 times in a single tournament. So unless I have already seen that the player likes to mini-raise with monsters, I assume that the mini-raise represents a marginally playable hand. (Now when they reraise you all-in, that is a different story. But I call here with my QQ. BTW, I folded here with JJ earlier today.)

adanthar
08-31-2005, 06:18 PM
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PP $11

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yes