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Yeti

08-31-2005, 01:26 PM

End of Oct 04 - Started $25NL w/ $200.

End of Dec 04 - Left $100NL and moved to 2/4 on Prima. I forget how much I had, somewhere around 25 buyins.

Mid Jan 05 - after playing the 2/4 for a couple of weeks i try the 5/10. I think I have about $15k. Make about $11k in a day. Lose it. Feel sick.

Late Jan/Feb - move back down to 2/4 and dabble in 5/10 initermittently, making a bit but not really going anywhere.

March - Party opens $1k. Had easy access to $3k and bunged it in. Lots of donks in the early days and I hit the ground running. Thankfully I haven't really looked back since.

gomberg

08-31-2005, 01:48 PM

Rough estimates of time...

Played 80% 2-4 w/ dabbling in 20% 5-10 and some 3-6 for about 6 months from July 04 - Dec 04.

Started playing 80% 5-10 20% lower in Jan 05. Started w/ 19 buy-ins in January. Made good money then took a big hit right before party 1k opened. Then party 1k opened and made a lot there.

For the past 2-3 months, been playing 80% 5-10 and 20% 10-20. Have about 23 buy-ins for 10-20 right now in bankroll.

In 04, I played about 15-20 hours / week, in 05, I've played about 5-10 hours / week - this doesn't include 2+2, reading, or analysis time...

Allinlife

08-31-2005, 01:55 PM

I was playing 2/4 with 30k, hit a good rush one day for 3k+ then just skipped 3/6 because I remembered seeing AKEDbet's post on "skiping 3/6". struggled for about a week, breaking even to plus minus 3 buyins then never looked back since /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Jason Strasser

08-31-2005, 01:59 PM

Won 17k in a multi then learned 5-10 the hard way.

-Jason

Raven

08-31-2005, 02:14 PM

What is it about the 3/6 ? Im thinking of moving up from 2/4. For those who have made the jump, is it good to just skip it ? what is the state of this limit on party, we dont hear a lot from this game.

BobboFitos

08-31-2005, 02:16 PM

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What is it about the 3/6 ? Im thinking of moving up from 2/4. For those who have made the jump, is it good to just skip it ? what is the state of this limit on party, we dont hear a lot from this game.

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just alot less game selection for nL600.

I like it because it's an easy stepping stone (the money dif between 400 and 600 is very little, imo, whereas 400->1000 is alot to me...)

Wu36

08-31-2005, 04:01 PM

worked my way up playing sngs and sh limit.

kagame

08-31-2005, 07:31 PM

your party NL run must have been just sick

AEKDBet

08-31-2005, 09:05 PM

August 04 started 25NL 6max. Bonus / reloads helped. (I accidentally started the empire 500 reload madness). Also bet 1k on bush to win election.

Still @ 25NL 6max till Feb05. (lost ~1/7 bankroll in vegas)

March - 50NL for a very short stint, then 100. Still 6max.

April 200NL full ring, some 6 max, and some 400 ring. I made a ton in relation to my BR nutpeddling the full ring games.

May - nutpeddling/multitabling no longer works, back to 6max for June. Haven't played ring since.

July-August - took a break from school and just played 400 6 max. I set a summer goal and became uber results orientated. Dabbled @ 5/10. 3 bad beats + me playing results orientated = back down.

Back in school now. Next stop 5/10 6max.

Here's (http://aekdbet.blogspot.com/2005/08/thewholeshabang.html) a screenshot of my spreadsheet graph (from my blog hence the jamaicans).

edit - forgot August / September was a SNG whore. 10's and 20's on stars.

yvesaint

08-31-2005, 09:11 PM

I just started my way into 2/4, but I've had a hell of a run and time doing this.

October 04: deposited $20 into Prima, made it up to $100 playing SnGs and $10 NL, then lost it all.

January 05: deposited another $20 into Prima, made it up to $60, went bust yet again.

February 05: deposited another $20 into Prima, made it up to $220 before I stupidly tried to play 50 NL, lost it all. Then I won a $1k freeroll of 500 entrants for $250, and told myself to stop [censored] around and get to business. Played 10 NL, worked up to about 400, then played in the $100k freeroll, got in the money (which meant a lot to me, had to place in a satellite first), doubled my bankroll to $800.

Summer 05: Started playing 50 NL from the $800, worked up to $1000. Fluctuated between $1000 and $2000 playing 100 NL and taking shots at 200 NL before finally learning how to play, worked up to $2000, then won another MTT for $1500. Grinded away at 100 NL until I hit $4000, began 4-tabling 200 NL until I hit $6000, then won another MTT for $1100.

So proud of myself for making over $7000 this summer /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Just hit $8000 and I'm 2-tabling 400 NL at the moment, not planning to move to 5/10 until I hit that 20 buy-in mark.

lapoker17

08-31-2005, 09:16 PM

This is very cool. Good work.

ahnuld

08-31-2005, 09:20 PM

Started playing online last summer with freeroll money.

July 2004, won a MMT good for 2k. Cashed most out

July-Dec 2004. Played some nl, anywhere between 50nl and 200nl but id always play the 1k game and blow my roll

Dec 2004 thru May 2005. [censored] around between omaha, limit, nl. Won alot then would blow roll after tilting on 1k tables on playing 10-20 with no roll.

May 16th 2005. School ends. I find 5 bucks in an old prima account. Make it my summer project. Ill move up once I have 10 buyins for the next level until im at 100nl. Then I wait for 20 buyins until I hit 400nl. Then I stop until 30 buyins.

I started off hot, hit 500 by end of month. In june I got bored again (I fixed this problem) and played some 400nl where I kicked ass. Got up to 3900 before dropping down to 2400

End of june, I promised to play responsibly, and within my limit. I run 2400 up to playing 200nl 9.5k by the end of July and am playing 400nl.

August. I lose 3k in a day due to some atrocious cards. Nut flushes to 2 card straight flushes on unpaired board, etc

End of August. Im at 11k. My goal was to turn 5 bucks into 10k so its good enuf.

Future, well see, but soon the party 1k games. (Dec 2005)

Voltron87

08-31-2005, 09:23 PM

this should really be a poll where you can view the results without voting.

Voltron87

08-31-2005, 09:36 PM

in addition to the people posting their stories, im sure some 2p2ers have had some mind boggling runs and growth.

yeti, were you really playing 25nl a year ago? that is really amazing to me.

me, a year ago i had next to nothing, was playing 11$ sngs. i moved up to the 22s and 33s and kept winning about 500-600 then losing it because i was such a novice to gambling/swings. about new years i started playing much more live 1/2 and 5/5 games, and after a couple of 1K-3K wins, i thought i was set. then i proceeded to drop about 4K. about february i started playing 50nl, moved up to 100nl shortly, moved up to 200nl after about a month, and now my BR is about online 10K. I have made much more than 10K since then but thats just the amount i have online designated for poker, the other has been withdrawn to spend and save, or play live with. I play 200 nl and 400nl 6max. i play 5/5 and 5/10 live, although i play online predominantly, proably 5-6x as much. im probably sacrificing money by not moving up in my online play but right now those levels are very low risk and for where i am in life i am making incredible dollars. i earn 5x as much (this is an underestimate) 4 tabling 200nl than any other job i could have.

although there are certainly other benefits to taking those jobs/internships which poker can't gave me. but i have learned so much about money management, gambling, life, self control and those et cetera, having some stupid summer internship on my resume pales in comparison. im a much more mature and independent person for having played poker, and i wonder what life would be like without it.

AZK

08-31-2005, 10:50 PM

Took a lot of shots at moving up, got knocked down a lot of times, kept taking risks, became numb to money in the process. Rinse repeat. Eventually ran well/played well to be comfortably rolled for 5/10, 10/20. Took shots at 10/25, 20/40, 25/50. I would be 70k richer net if I never played in any of the high stakes UB games. Ever. Lesson permanently learned after last week.

TheWorstPlayer

08-31-2005, 10:52 PM

The OP was about 5/10 but since other people are sharing their lower limit stories, I'll share mine, too. Pretty similar to your post. Started playing .10/.25 limit after dropping $650 at higher limits before even knowing the rules to Holdem and which hand beats which hand. (Smart.) Made back the $650 and another $250 which I then switched over to FR NL. Dropped down to $50 but then started reading 2p2 and actually studying the game. Built up to about 400. Got a tutor (go BK_!), switched to Party 6max from UB FR and really started studying the game, posting hands, etc. Built bankroll up to around 1K and jumped from NL25 to NL100. Built up to around 3K and jumped to NL200. Now around 7.5K and soon switching to NL400. Ever since playing on Party I've been 4-tabling 6max (on my 14" laptop screen with 90% overlap!) and plan on continuing to do so.

Cheers.

TheWorstPlayer

08-31-2005, 10:54 PM

But how much poorer would you be if you had always been the type of person who didn't want to take shots at higher limits?

Allinlife

08-31-2005, 10:54 PM

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I would be 70k richer net if I never played in any of the high stakes UB games. Ever. Lesson permanently learned after last week.

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ouch. I would be 500$ richer if I didn't accidentally click "post" trying to chat with CaptZeebo in the 25/50. it was 3 handed and I raised pot with AT, C-bet a Q high flop then got raised so I had to muck.

tdomeski

08-31-2005, 11:01 PM

Search and find theBrusier's story. . .he went from swallowing his pride and dropping down to $25 NL to $50/100 NL in less than a year.

AZK

08-31-2005, 11:04 PM

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But how much poorer would you be if you had always been the type of person who didn't want to take shots at higher limits?

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Obviously I wouldn't be here, but the UB games are the wrong games (for me) to "take shots". Even from day 1 I would watch those games and try to "get rich quick" when I was playing much lower limits. The same way I look at someone who sits down with 250 at 5/10, I would at 25/50 8 months ago. Just stupid.

stankybank

09-01-2005, 12:00 AM

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Search and find theBrusier's story. . .he went from swallowing his pride and dropping down to $25 NL to $50/100 NL in less than a year.

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I can't find it. Maybe I suck at searching stuff here.

Could you provide a link to his story?

Thanks.

tdomeski

09-01-2005, 12:13 AM

stars here. .

Bruiser (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=plnlpoker&Number=736918&Fo rum=,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,&Words=poker%20journal&S earchpage=4&Limit=25&Main=736918&Search=true&where =sub&Name=5790&daterange=1&newerval=2&newertype=y& olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post736918)

Go to Older Archives, search for "Poker Journal" posts from theBruiser500 and you can read all about it. .

Allinlife

09-01-2005, 01:18 AM

-Skeme-

09-01-2005, 02:03 AM

mertin

Back when I was 16 or so I would deposit $50 at a time through my mom's credit card and/or bank account. I'd either lose it all and deposit more to win it back, or lose most of it, bring it back, and cashout. I did this for some odd amount of time before I ran my $50 up to about $360, which at the time was the biggest my roll had ever been.

I foolishly tried playing $3/$6 limit, lost it all, then cried. I stopped playing for a few months after that, but didn't stop reading about poker, etc. I wasn't at 2+2 at this time.

On December 23rd, 2004, I was staked $200 by a friend and fellow 2+2er. The agreement was that I play $.05/$1.00 limit, and not more than 2 tables. I couldn't step out of this contract. Once I had a decent roll, I would send back the $200.

I played the 6 Max limit tables on Stars for a while, hated it, and didn't win much. I spent lots of time in the SH & HU forum, trying hard to learn. I think I was an overall winner at the game, but not a whole lot. The majority of my profit came from cashing in the Stars NLHU tournament several times.

Then I transitioned into $25 NL. Can't remember how long I was there. Then I went to $50 NL, had probably sent back the original $200 by then, and beat that level. Then I moved to $100, beat that for a while, struggled with downswings, and finally had $4,000 to play $1/$2. This is about May, 05. My first day at $1/$2 went great. My second went awful. I dropped 5 buyins and ventured into my biggest downswing ever, which is just clearing up now. I didn't play a whole lot of $100, at least not as much as I should've.

I've now turned 18. I'm kicking myself because I wasted too much time not playing while I was still a minor. I was basically freerolling while playing poker as I had no bills. Now I have to start paying rent, need a car, and several other expenses that need to be paid. It sucks.

Message to all you underage gamblers: Don't waste time, get grinding. As for present, I've cashed out a bit and bought some things. My bankroll is about $1,100 and I'm currently playing $16 Turbos. Jeah. That was long.

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this should really be a poll where you can view the results without voting.

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Yeah, I had to lie and vote so I could see the results.

Voltron87

09-01-2005, 02:44 AM

i know what it feels like to think you have wasted prime playing time. i was not a solid winning player until about this january. i did the same thing, win a bit, lose it, etc. but you have to put things in perspective. poker ability is not just a faucet. i think those months where id deposit 100$ to play 11$ sngs and go up and down until it was gone were part of the learning process. i learnt that its a game of swings, and got used to how easily money is won and lost with no regard to how good the decisions were. i learnt to deal with it, learnt how to deal with tilt. even though i didnt win much money at all, i prepared myself to be a solid winner later.

so my message is, and im rambling, dont kick yourself over lost time. look at it positively, think of what you gained from it and move on. at one point i felt awful and was depressed about how much time i had wasted on poker. i probably lost about 500-1K before i leveled out, as well as my time, which impacted school, the real world, etc. it was awful. then i started winning and realized "wow, i learnt something from all that and im better for it". i guess its a little like a bad beat. when i take a bad beat i tell myself "thats all in the past, this is your starting point. get it done from here, have a new frame of reference. thats all you can do about it"

mikech

09-01-2005, 03:01 AM

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stars here. .

Bruiser (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=plnlpoker&Number=736918&Fo rum=,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,&Words=poker%20journal&S earchpage=4&Limit=25&Main=736918&Search=true&where =sub&Name=5790&daterange=1&newerval=2&newertype=y& olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post736918)

Go to Older Archives, search for "Poker Journal" posts from theBruiser500 and you can read all about it. .

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i remember this the first time around, and it's just as funny now as it was then. how can anyone not love bruiser with quotes like these?:

"I'm starting with a bankroll of $115 today and my goal is to build it up to a shitload of money."

"You'll see, my logs in the future will show you to be very wrong, you'll be embarrasing by my brillant success."

the brashness seems almost to be both 100% serious and 100% tongue-in-cheek at the same time, i'm not sure how he pulls it off.

09-01-2005, 03:14 AM

Nov. 2004 - I deposited $300 started playing .5/1 limit and bonus whoring until I hit 2k at the beginning of Jan.

Jan. 2005 - Stared playing the 2/4 games on Party and broke even over the course of the month.

Feb. 2005 - I decided to start playing the $50 tables a little just to expiriment, turned my 2k into 4k in a week then went on tilt and lost about 1k. Cashed out 1k and took a break for a couple weeks and just play 5/1 and 10/1 sngs.

Mar.-Apr. 2005 - Bankroll is 2k now and I decided to play the 100 nl games, and built up to 4k.

May 2005 - School is almost out and I start playing the 200 Nl games doing pretty well.

June 2005 - Im out of school and play around 30 hours a week turning my 4k into 8k in about 3 weeks still playing the $200 tables.

June ,July 2005 - I move up to the $400 nl tables and turn my 8k into 14k in 10 days, The best run ive had yet.

July 2005 - I move up to the 600 nl tables and struggle a little but over 3 weeks make 10k putting the roll at 24k.

August 2005 - Im not sure what happened here but it seems I hit a brick wall when I went to the 1k tables I was up and down for 3 weeks then finally went down to 15k at which point I went back to 600 nl.

Now - I started 8 tabling 4 tables of 400 nl, b/c it was most profitable and 4 tables of 600 nl, I've made back about 4k in the past 2 weeks putting me at around 19k (which Ive been only playing about half as much as usual b/c of end of summer partying and whatnot) At this point im content to grind out these tables for awhile and see what happens.

steaknshake925

09-01-2005, 03:19 AM

I started playin seriously during winter break last year, after dropping a couple $50 deposits on party like everybody else.

started with $200 on party 25nl, bonus whored my way to 1/2 and 2/4nl over the semester.

meanwhile i went on a massive casino whoring rampage that inflated my roll ridiculously, so I started playing 5/10 and 10/20 limit 6max at the beginning of summer, despite never being able to beat 2/4. I ran well at first and stayed at 10/20 limit, and am now coming back to NL taking shots at the party 1000s.

sometimes i think i've been pretty succesful at this game, going from 25nl to 1000nl in less than a year. but then i look at guys like strasser or bk or bruiser and i'm like, wow i suck so much, i've done nothing. and this makes me work harder.

Yeti

09-01-2005, 07:33 AM

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yeti, were you really playing 25nl a year ago? that is really amazing to me.

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That's probably a bit misleading as I had dabbled in poker for about a year before that, on and off. Had 2 or 3 MTT 2nds for $1200 or so, and had played some $25NL. I don't think I was much good though.

Last Oct was when I decided 'hey, I can make a lot of money in this lark'. I bought PT, read everything I could get my hands on and put the hours in.

I owe tons to the boards, and private correspondence with fsuplayer. I think even when I began the 5/10 I was unsure in common situations and he put that to rest straight away.

-Skeme-

09-01-2005, 07:56 AM

I think I also need some private correspondence with our fine feathered friend, fsuplayer..

punter11235

09-01-2005, 08:01 AM

I dont play much of 5/10 yet (few k hands there but my regular game is still 600$) but I have more than 25xbuyin bankroll for that game.
I worked my way up from as low as 2$ NL which I started playing 6months ago with 30$ bankroll.
I moved up to 25$ soon (shortstack) and it was the only time when huge MTT win helped me, cause I cashed mighty 85$ for 4th place in 1$ buyin tourney /images/graemlins/cool.gif. I was struggling with it for almost 2months (having largest downsing in my career, from 650$ to 250$ more than 1/2 of whole bankroll). I moved up to 200NL in 2weeks crushing 50NL and 100NL in the meantime (I put really many hands then) then stay there to earn some money (cause it was significant money for me) and then jump to 400NL and after a week to 600NL when I played almost 20k hands already and I am doing great. My plan is to move up to 5/10 in 2months or so.
My general rule was "not to move up too fast". I usually had 15xbuyin and started playing shortstack at new level (40BB) mixing it with old level. I always have more than 25xbuyin before starting playing fullstack at any level.
Edit : now I am overbankrolled to say the least even for 1k NL game but I came to the conclusion that overbankrolled is good thing which allow you to play in peaceful state of mind and eliminate almost all tilt from your game.

Best wishes

punter11235

09-01-2005, 08:10 AM

Rotating Rabbit

09-01-2005, 08:35 AM

I deposited 200$ and played my first game of poker in January this year (100nl full ring on ultimatebet, and I'd read Hellmuth's book so was able to avoid going broke). Got to the point of beating 100nl comfortably and 3-tabled that for a month making steady progress. I then played 200nl full ring doing the same for most of feb, and was floating around 5k in roll when I messed around with a few 6max games and they seemed to be a lot more exciting.

Probably sometime just after the 1000nl on party opened, I suspect I was one of the fish giving money to yeti and the like, as I dabbled in the 6max there losing a fair bit, about this time I discovered 2+2 and dropped back to 400nl 6max 2-tabling, which I did mixing with 600nl on weekends and then gradually replacing completely. I now 3-table 600nl and quite comfortable playing any 600nl party table, dipping into the 1k 6max on a saturday if im in the right mood.

catlover

09-01-2005, 08:35 AM

A poll like this should include a "does not apply" type answer so that people who don't fit the poll question can see the results without skewing them.

DarthIgnurnt

09-01-2005, 07:13 PM

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try search.

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I know I'm not too smart, but does anyone else find the search function on this site 100% useless? Most recently, I searched for the phrase "jump shark" and found several pages of posts, none of which yet have contained those words.

Oh and another thing ... sometimes people want to actually participate in a post rather than reading a bunch of opinions from 6 months ago.

So ... please ... for the children ... stop wasting your time and everyone elses by replying to posts with "try search". It makes the baby Jesus cry.

warlockjd

09-02-2005, 04:30 AM

100% agree and altho the search function is the worst i have encountered on any site, it also may be the nature of the beast insomuchas the terms that you logically would think might be in a type of post you are looking for simply aren't there bcz there is so many different ways to describe even a simple poker concept.

I think there are a few 'search experts' that have figured it out, and they have become the 'search cops'

captZEEbo1

09-02-2005, 07:17 AM

I started playing $5 sngs about 1.5 years ago with like a $50 bankroll. I immediately had a HUGE upstreak (11 out of 12 cashes with a bunch of 1sts) and assumed I was best poker player alive. I basically did a TON of grinding of sngs from $5 up to about $50 before I switched over to limit. I would take ocassional stabs at 25 nl but didn't play very well and would usually blow money. I had been playing a LITTLE limit throughout this too. I must've grinded to about $8k or so. I started grinding full ring $1/2 then $2/4 yadayada, before I found what was the most fun: 6-max limit. I started $1/2 6max for not too long I hopped up to $5/10 and grinded a TON again. I eventually grinded up to about 25k. Then about 4-5 months ago I decided to try out NL cash. Since my roll was fairly big, I decided to just hop on 400 nl and I immediately did well. Once I learned that getting AK allin preflop wasn't the optimal strategy for 100 bb nl cash (like it was for sngs), I did even better. I jumped up to 1000 nl within two weeks. Since I started nl cash it's been nothing but domination climbing up the ranks to 50/100 nl.