Flop Aggression, 3.5 to high? Spot leaks pls

[Silverback]

Spot any problem areas from below?


My flop actions
Raise 8.32%
Bet 32.36%
Call 11.61%
Check 28.62%
Fold 19.09%
AF 3.50%

First Action on Flop After a Pre Flop Raise
Raise 6.29%
Bet 59%
Call 6.29%
Check 7.82%
Check Raise 0.19%
Fold 3.75%
No flop/no Action 16.66%

[helpmeout]

call 11%

[baronzeus]

you are not only folding more than me but you are calling way less than me

[imported_leader]

I'm raising a bit less, betting a bit more, calling a bit more and checking a bit less on the flop. I'm calling more after a PFR. Besides that everything else is the same. My flop AF is 2.91. I'm not sure if any of that helps you, but at least now you have something to compare it to.

[imported_leader]

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you are not only folding more than me but you are calling way less than me

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How much are you calling and folding?

[baronzeus]

http://baronzeus.com/streets.JPG

[imported_leader]

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http://baronzeus.com/streets.JPG

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Thanks /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[baronzeus]

while im hijacking this thread, i might as well post my other stats. feel free to look/criticize them. thanks. (didnt want to start another one)

http://baronzeus.com/position2.jpg

http://baronzeus.com/stats.JPG

[helpmeout]

bet the river and checkraise more

[baronzeus]

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bet the river and checkraise more

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what is your river bet %

[helpmeout]

32ish I also try to get my river AF around 1.8 I think that is a good amount to aim for.

[Escape]

Baron your stats look exactly like mine. Except I'm slightly more agressive on the turn, but not by much. I'm still fairly passive on the river. But I'm working on that one.

[spydog]

Just a general thought about flop aggression.

It really is hard to say whether 3.5 is correct for your style of play or not.

Hypothetically, a player who has stats like 8/7 should have a huge flop aggression factor if he plays well postflop because he is only entering the pot with superpremium hands and therefore most flops he will like. If you play a 30/20 style of game then you are hitting more draws and second pair type hands that may warrant calling rather than raising, therefore shrinking your aggression factor down to 2.0 or maybe lower.

So, you have to be really careful not to 'target' your flop aggression factor because what might be considered 'good' around here, may not be good for your style of play.

[Silverback]

Im 22 vpip pfr 17 pre flop

[spydog]

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Im 22 vpip pfr 17 pre flop

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With those stats I would think an ideal flop aggression factor would be 3-3.3, so you might be slightly aggressive but nothing out of line.

Your play is probably good, but you could ask yourself the following questions:

1) Am I autobetting every flop where I raised preflop? If so, maybe stop autobetting when you have 3 callers. Or, don't autobet flops like J97 2-suited against 2 callers when you have completely missed with 55 or even AK.

2) Am I autoraising flop with overcards when they donk into me? If so, try calling some flops if you have some backdoor outs and folding turns unimproved.

3) Am I autobetting every straight or flush draw I get a free look from the BB? Try check-calling and checkraising a later street if you improve.

[bobbyi]

I've never had a flop AF that low in my life and have done fine.

[Silverback]

Thanks for the tips Spydog.

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1) Am I autobetting every flop where I raised preflop? If so, maybe stop autobetting when you have 3 callers. Or, don't autobet flops like J97 2-suited against 2 callers when you have completely missed with 55 or even AK.

2) Am I autoraising flop with overcards when they donk into me? If so, try calling some flops if you have some backdoor outs and folding turns unimproved.

3) Am I autobetting every straight or flush draw I get a free look from the BB? Try check-calling and checkraising a later street if you improve.

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1)I dont autobet with 3 callers, but maybe I need to be more flop aware when its draw heavy flop and 2 callers.

2)I dont autoraise overcards 6 outs, maybe I do sometimes if Ive got backdoor draws, but Ill look into playing these more passively.

3) I do autobet draws from any position inc BB, so this is one area that I could improve most noticeably.

Thanks