Aces and deep stacks.

[imported_anacardo]

I'd really like to know more about pot control in deep-stacked situations.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($43.25)
UTG+1 ($104.10)
Hero ($276.30)
MP1 ($335.07)
MP2 ($113.35)
MP3 ($109.65)
CO ($241.20)
Button ($153.10)
SB ($100.30)
BB ($62.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls $5, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $4, UTG folds.

Flop: ($16.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, CO calls $12, BB folds.
CO is semi-loose, semi-aggressive.
Turn: ($40.50) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

What's my plan for the rest of this hand?

i'd make a pot sized bet on turn

not much to be afraid of. unless he's a real donk and is calling that 5x bb raise w/ a 4, you don't got much to worry about (other than 66 or 22 &lt;---huge DONK)

so yeah...raise...BIG

[PoBoy321]

Well, with the deep stacks, 66 or 44 wouldn't be awful, and if he doesn't mind playing suited connectors in position with deep stacks, I don't think that 45s, 43s, or 64s are completely out of the question.

[stu-unger]

your turn decision is up to u. personally i give up here. i dont your villain has a hand that can take too much heat, but i dont want to find out. i give him 77+/x /images/graemlins/diamond.gifx /images/graemlins/diamond.gif as his range so u make the choice.

[imported_anacardo]

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your turn decision is up to u. personally i give up here. i dont your villain has a hand that can take too much heat, but i dont want to find out. i give him 77+/x /images/graemlins/diamond.gifx /images/graemlins/diamond.gif as his range so u make the choice.

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Wait - you're advocating a straight check-fold on this more or less blank turn card?

[Benholio]

I've been check/calling the turn, then leading or check/calling the river in spots like this lately. Sometimes you are giving a free card for a flush draw, but often you are getting bluff money or cutting your losses against a monster.

[Malachii]

Hey Anacardo,

I like a bet of ~$30-$40. If he calls, bet 1/2 pot on a non diamond river and fold to a raise. Villain has a fairly wide range of hands here... he could have medium pockets, a flush draw, a monster, or he could be calling w/ any two if he's an AK cop. No reason to assume you're behind, so value bet.

[Morrek]

a 4 is definetly not impossible from a semi-loose player (as you said he was) so I would relly watch out, especially since I've lost too much on hands just like this one last week. Although checking is still too weak IMO so a decent bet (20ish?)and see what happens

[ArturiusX]

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a 4 is definetly not impossible from a semi-loose player (as you said he was) so I would relly watch out, especially since I've lost too much on hands just like this one last week. Although checking is still too weak IMO so a decent bet (20ish?)and see what happens

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Wouldn't this be encouraging misc draws to call?

[cianosheehan]

I dont think you can shy away from the bullets that easily JUST because a pair flopped and JUST because villain called. Fish do that all the time. Yes they are deep stacked, but villain could be drawing for anything. I bet out the turn maybe 2/3rds the pot and assess from there. If villain re-raises give it up, if villain calls, check/assess on the river.

[Morrek]

Well, yes, but you don't have to pay him off if a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif falls, although a 30ish bet might be better

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Wouldn't this be encouraging misc draws to call?

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[AllIn3High]

Check-call turn, block river.

[Ghazban]

Why no reads? I have a hard time believing you've built up your stack this far without noticing anything about the villain. He's clearly been at the table a while, too (unless he just sat and won a big 3-way all-in or something but, even then, you'd have SOME kind of read from seeing how he won it).

I like to bet $25 on the turn. This gives a flush draw bad odds but also keeps the pot smallish. If you get raised, you dump it as people in this game generally don't semibluff raise the turn with a draw and probably won't raise a smaller overpair on the turn, either (they might on the flop but usually not on the turn). I check/call a non-diamond river and block bet a diamond. If I hit the ace of diamonds, I underbet and hope to get raised by either the made flush or someone representing it.