One of those big chip lead to out bubble moments...

[Karak567]

Review my play if you could... ignore the donk that keeps calling me a "hack" please.


#Game No : 2627053342
***** Hand History for Game 2627053342 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 30, 23:57:40 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $1110 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $2800 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1900 )
Seat 9: chuckspears ( $985 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $1205 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ Kh Qh ]
vagidan folds.
Utgoff folds.
sepher28 is all-In [2800]
Doolio folds.
chuckspears folds.
sepher28 does not show cards.
sepher28 wins 3250 chips
Game #2627055549 starts.

#Game No : 2627055549
***** Hand History for Game 2627055549 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 30, 23:57:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $1110 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $3250 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1750 )
Seat 9: chuckspears ( $685 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $1205 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ Kd 3c ]
Utgoff folds.
sepher28 is all-In [3250]
Doolio folds.
chuckspears: is that your only fing move u hack
chuckspears folds.
vagidan folds.
sepher28 does not show cards.
sepher28 wins 3700 chips
Game #2627058484 starts.

#Game No : 2627058484
***** Hand History for Game 2627058484 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 30, 23:58:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $1110 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $3700 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1750 )
Seat 9: chuckspears ( $535 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $905 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ Qs Qd ]
sepher28 is all-In [3700]
Doolio folds.
chuckspears folds.
vagidan: that hack is winning dummy
vagidan folds.
Utgoff folds.
chuckspears: i care
sepher28 shows [ Qs, Qd ] a pair of queens.
sepher28 wins 4150 chips from the main pot with a pair of queens.
Game #2627061154 starts.

#Game No : 2627061154
***** Hand History for Game 2627061154 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 30, 23:58:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $810 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $4150 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1750 )
Seat 9: chuckspears ( $535 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $755 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 2s 9s ]
Doolio folds.
chuckspears folds.
vagidan is all-In [755]
Utgoff folds.
sepher28 calls [455].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Qh, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
sepher28 shows [ 2s, 9s ] a pair of queens.
vagidan shows [ Js, Ts ] a pair of queens.
vagidan wins 1660 chips from the main pot with a pair of queens with jack kicker.
Game #2627064556 starts.

#Game No : 2627064556
***** Hand History for Game 2627064556 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 30, 23:59:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $660 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $3395 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1750 )
Seat 9: chuckspears ( $535 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $1660 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 7c 8d ]
chuckspears is all-In [535]
vagidan calls [535].
Utgoff folds.
sepher28 folds.
Doolio folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 6d, Ac ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
chuckspears shows [ Qc, 5c ] high card ace.
vagidan shows [ 5d, Ad ] a flush, ace high.
vagidan wins 1520 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
chuckspears finished in fifth place.
chuckspears has left the table.
Game #2627068139 starts.

#Game No : 2627068139
***** Hand History for Game 2627068139 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 30, 23:59:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $660 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $3245 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1450 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $2645 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 4c 8d ]
Utgoff folds.
sepher28 is all-In [3245]
Doolio folds.
vagidan folds.
sepher28 does not show cards.
sepher28 wins 3695 chips
Game #2627069667 starts.

#Game No : 2627069667
***** Hand History for Game 2627069667 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Wednesday, August 31, 00:00:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $660 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $3695 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1300 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $2345 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 3h 4c ]
sepher28 folds.
Doolio raises [700].
vagidan folds.
Utgoff is all-In [360]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 8d, 9d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
Doolio shows [ 9c, Ac ] a pair of nines.
Utgoff shows [ Qd, Qh ] a pair of queens.
Doolio wins 40 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of nines.
Utgoff wins 1470 chips from the main pot with a pair of queens.
Game #2627072246 starts.

#Game No : 2627072246
***** Hand History for Game 2627072246 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Wednesday, August 31, 00:00:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $1470 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $3695 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $640 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $2195 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 8s 6s ]
Doolio is all-In [640]
vagidan folds.
Utgoff folds.
sepher28 calls [340].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 4h, Jh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
Doolio shows [ Ah, 3s ] a pair of aces.
sepher28 shows [ 8s, 6s ] high card ace.
Doolio wins 1430 chips from the main pot with a pair of aces.
Game #2627074469 starts.

#Game No : 2627074469
***** Hand History for Game 2627074469 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Wednesday, August 31, 00:00:47 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $1320 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $3055 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $1430 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $2195 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 6c Ad ]
vagidan folds.
Utgoff folds.
sepher28 is all-In [2905]
Doolio is all-In [1130]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 7s, 2s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
sepher28 shows [ 6c, Ad ] high card ace.
Doolio shows [ As, 7h ] a pair of sevens.
sepher28 wins 1625 chips from side pot #1 with high card ace.
Doolio wins 2860 chips from the main pot with a pair of sevens.
Game #2627076498 starts.

#Game No : 2627076498
***** Hand History for Game 2627076498 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15315044 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Wednesday, August 31, 00:01:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 12772 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Utgoff ( $1320 )
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $1625 )
Seat 7: Doolio ( $2860 )
Seat 10: vagidan ( $2195 )
Trny:15315044 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 3s Kh ]
Utgoff folds.
chuckspears: suck on that hack
sepher28 is all-In [1625]
Doolio folds.
vagidan calls [1325].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 7s, 5h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
vagidan shows [ Td, Ac ] three of a kind, tens.
sepher28 shows [ 3s, Kh ] a pair of tens.
vagidan wins 3400 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, tens.
sepher28 finished in fourth place.
NICE
like i was saying
sepher28 has left the table.
Game #2627079397 starts.

[pearljam]

Everything seemed fine, you lost all your 40/60s and ran into some hands, tough luck.

[J-Lo]

I feel all those moves are quite standard-- just some tough luck-- it hurts more when there is some jerk-ass taunting u.... but i like to have chat off.... All those moves are pretty standard for me, u just ran into bigger hand w/o sucking out.... get your luckbox fixed.

[Karak567]

Thanks guys. I had a feeling all of my moves were absolutely standard, however doubt started to set in right after the tourny as I was reviewing the HH. The only ones I was squabbling about at the time of the tourny were the calls of the short stack all ins, but I think they were ok.

I was starting to doubt myself, though, and thought I should get some input.

Appreciate it.

I maybe wouldn'tve pushed the 84o considering you've pushed a few recently and you've got someone accusing you of pushing too much. I'm probably wrong on this as nobody else said anything.

[Freudian]

I am not sure I would push the last hand. It seems that if you lose a big hand and push the next one people assume you are on tilt and you won't have much FE.

I am also not sure I would call with the 92s from BB. Losing an extra 500 here somewhat bad (even though you are getting a good price on your call) and also since you are in so many hands as it is, you have to fold here and there for your FE to not to go down too much. When I am very comfortable with the size of my stack I can let hands like this one go, partly because I don't want the other guy to double up and partly as somewhat of an image play. But it is hard to know if this is such a spot since it becomes much easier when you actually play the tourney.

Will offer my thoughts...

Really the hand that I thought brought you down hard was the loss to the A7 against your A6. I think your play was alright by going all in, but the table has just seen you do that a whole bunch of times...of course a shorter stack is going to gamble with you there with many many different types of hands. I thought you could have completed the SB to see what the BB was going to do, either check or raise you...from there you could have decided what to do with the A6 (the hand would probably have ended up the same anyway tho). I only say this because I think with the chip lead like that, and the blinds getting so high, that maintenance or preservation of the lead is more important to cashing, rather than trying to pick up some more with the all in move...the reason i say this is because the other players will soon "starve" for chips with the high blinds, and they will start going all in with mediocre cards, whether or not you push. I like to sit back and simply defend my blinds in these situations, trying to force someone into a misplayed hand from a bad position.
I didn't think your stack was big enough to gamble with without a really solid hand (my opinion here, A8 or above), and you knew that the player was going to gamble with any two reasonable cards (I might have called with just suited connectors against a player like you who won't let me see the flop at all...better than being blinded out).
So, in short, I thought your previous plays made the table feel like they HAD to gamble (because they feel like you would simply steal everything if they didn't) which should have been a good time for you to sit back a little and wait for a solid hand to push in with again...
Again, I totally understand your play, just trying to play devil's advocate and letting you know that any two reasonable cards could have called you there (rather than fold to the apparent "all in maniac" with high blinds and an ever shortening stack)
I didn't think your last all in was necessary either, although understood as well...(although notice that getting away from the A6 at a cheap loss makes the K3 a very easy fold, and the A10 simply picks up the blinds or goes gambling with the "vagisil" player...
P.S. please keep in mind that I am a rather tight player.

Let me know if you have problems with my comments...always trying to improve my game as well...

[tigerite]

All fine except perhaps hand #2. Not sure you need to be pushing that and it's 5-handed.

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
I am not sure I would push the last hand. It seems that if you lose a big hand and push the next one people assume you are on tilt and you won't have much FE.

I am also not sure I would call with the 92s from BB. Losing an extra 500 here somewhat bad (even though you are getting a good price on your call) and also since you are in so many hands as it is, you have to fold here and there for your FE to not to go down too much. When I am very comfortable with the size of my stack I can let hands like this one go, partly because I don't want the other guy to double up and partly as somewhat of an image play. But it is hard to know if this is such a spot since it becomes much easier when you actually play the tourney.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is nearly exactly what I was thinking after I finished reading the HH.

[tigerite]

Yes, the last hand isn't great either, to be honest. Hand 2 I believe is -EV with the situation as it is.

I guess I need to do a lot more reading about this, because it seems to me that with at least one of those hands (QQ) you want to invite some action. Can't you afford to make a small raise, hoping that there is a call or two, and then make a move after the flop? Sure, you might be scared by an Ace or King on the flop, but you have a big enough stack that you can let the hand go in the face of a big post-flop bet and still be in the lead.

Maybe the other stacks are such that they have to pot commit if they call any raise. But then, with QQ wouldn't you rather give someone else a chance to make a push and then call?

I fold the K3 second hand.

I fold to the allin with 92.

The last hand K3, I think your image has taken a beating and your FE has suffered so I would fold.

[ QUOTE ]
...with at least one of those hands (QQ) you want to invite some action. Can't you afford to make a small raise, hoping that there is a call or two, and then make a move after the flop? Sure, you might be scared by an Ace or King on the flop, but you have a big enough stack that you can let the hand go in the face of a big post-flop bet and still be in the lead.

Maybe the other stacks are such that they have to pot commit if they call any raise. But then, with QQ wouldn't you rather give someone else a chance to make a push and then call?

[/ QUOTE ]
I think normally I would agree with this sort of thinking, but the main difference to me in this situation is the way the player set up his QQ. He had push stole the previous 2 pots and so now the table thinks he is maniac blind stealer (at least one does)...there is just too high a chance that they will call him with a raw Ace or smaller pair, which is the exact situation you want. Making a smaller raise here will probably only accomplish everyone playing you slow (suspicion of your change of play style) and play you like you have a big pair...which is what you have. They might take a shot on the flop to try and catch a hand because you made it so cheap, and they think they know what you have already (any thinking players would anyhow).
I had done a similar play with pocket AA in a tourney with a large stack...I had stolen 3 pots in a row and pulled AA, I doubled the blinds to 600 and the BB called. Flop was
10 5 5 other player bet out, and I pushed...he had K5...bit of bad luck i know, but if I had pushed in the first place, I would have had the least chance being drawn out on like that, as well as having he best chance of being called by a smaller pair or two high cards (due to my previous pushes). I had to post on this site to learn this as well...

[gisb0rne]

I fold the 2nd hand, other than that everything else seems reasonable.

[jeffraider]

I'd fold the last hand. You're pushing through the bigstack and everyone at the table has been seeing the crappy hands you're showing down (mostly calling the shorties with but the impression remains).

[ QUOTE ]
I think normally I would agree with this sort of thinking, but the main difference to me in this situation is the way the player set up his QQ. He had push stole the previous 2 pots and so now the table thinks he is maniac blind stealer (at least one does)...

[/ QUOTE ]There's a lot of pushing going on everywhere, so I'm not sure two pushes makes him a maniac (though I do agree the 3rd all-in is more likeky to get called than the 1st one). Maybe he showed the wrong hand, maybe he should have shown the K3 to confirm he's pushing crap. Then again, no one shows a bad push and then makes another one the next hand. Right? Or, since one one does that, do you have licence to do it?

Your point about being suspicious of a minimum raise after the two pushes seems valid. Isn't that an argument for mixing things up more regularly?