Value betting a river against 2 loose opponents

[private joker]

Opponents are loose, but I don't have much more in the way of specific reads.

Who likes, who doesn't like?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, BB calls.

River: (8.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets....</font>

Final Pot: 13.70 BB

[shant]

Folding to a raise? If so, looks right.

[private joker]

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Folding to a raise?

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Obviously.

[krubban]

I like, don't know if I have the balls for that value bet though.

[toss]

Not solely a value bet. If we check we may induce a bluff that we'll have a hell of a time calling.

[Yort Mada]

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Not solely a value bet. If we check we may induce a bluff that we'll have a hell of a time calling.

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yea, i'd bet the river... your probably ahead and if random idiot caught something by chasing with nothing til the river and raises. good for him. you will get the most of it in the end.

[jason_t]

No!

[private joker]

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No!

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This is the correct answer. Nobody should be approving of this river bet. It is poor.

[shant]

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No!

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This is the correct answer. Nobody should be approving of this river bet. It is poor.

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You don't think you get called by a 7, a 5, or 88, or 99? Are you going to check and not overcall?

[toss]

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No!

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This is the correct answer. Nobody should be approving of this river bet. It is poor.

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So you either want to check/call or check/fold?

[private joker]

Right. I should check and call if BB folds, otherwise fold if BB calls. The river card is miserable -- sure I would get called by 99, but the hands that caught up outweigh the hands that I beat now. Loose players are prone to playing hands like A4/A5/A7 in this spot, so they just got me. Spade draws are likely, even if it's a backdoor one. 76/65/66 are also quite likely, as is A6. Also, if I check, I might even get a free showdown when the A's are scared of a 6 or a flush. If I bet, some A's will just call, while 6's, flushes, and some A's will raise or checkraise.

[MyTurn2Raise]

Not betting....especially since it's a big blind (seems more likely to have a 6 or some odd two pair).
Very few hands that you beat can call.

[baronzeus]

I'd probably check/fold here. No way you beat anyone who bets.

[Student Caine]

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I'd probably check/fold here. No way you beat anyone who bets.

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Are we afraid of folding to a bluff here?

[baronzeus]

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I'd probably check/fold here. No way you beat anyone who bets.

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Are we afraid of folding to a bluff here?

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Most opponents are too scared to bluff on this board into two people. You have to be good 9% of the time and I'm not sure if you are if MP2 bets...maybe 5% but read dependent of course.

[KDawgCometh]

i dig. you are planning on folding to a raise right?

[KDawgCometh]

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No!

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This is the correct answer. Nobody should be approving of this river bet. It is poor.

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but for me the key is that they are loose opponents, and I think that they would call with many hands that we beat

[private joker]

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but for me the key is that they are loose opponents, and I think that they would call with many hands that we beat

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That they're loose is what's allowing me to read their hands and put them on all sorts of draws that just got there.

[KDawgCometh]

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but for me the key is that they are loose opponents, and I think that they would call with many hands that we beat

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That they're loose is what's allowing me to read their hands and put them on all sorts of draws that just got there.

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yeah, I noticed the bdoor spade that hit on the river well after I could edit my post, that makes it a check HU call and no overcall. I just saw the 4 straight where one of them could've hit a wheel

[Drizztdj]

What can you beat? 88? 99?

One of em has an ace, and one of em might even have Axs

Fold to any bet imo.

[Evan]

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Right. I should check and call if BB folds, otherwise fold if BB calls. The river card is miserable -- sure I would get called by 99, but the hands that caught up outweigh the hands that I beat now. Loose players are prone to playing hands like A4/A5/A7 in this spot, so they just got me. Spade draws are likely, even if it's a backdoor one. 76/65/66 are also quite likely, as is A6. Also, if I check, I might even get a free showdown when the A's are scared of a 6 or a flush. If I bet, some A's will just call, while 6's, flushes, and some A's will raise or checkraise.

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This post sucks.

[private joker]

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This post sucks.

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Definitely not one of my finer moments.

Anyway, I got check-raised by A6. MHING.