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aflaba

08-30-2005, 05:43 AM

Where would you have played differently, if anywhere?

BB is 50/0, AF=1
Button is 40/20
No other reads

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (13 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

aK13

08-30-2005, 06:17 AM

I'm retarded. I think it's fine.

oreogod

08-30-2005, 06:18 AM

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I'm retarded.

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You beat me to it. Nice recovery.

zephed

08-30-2005, 06:22 AM

Raise the turn, he is more likely to have the smaller straight than a flush(seat of pants estimate). Anyone with an 8 and half a brain will realize that top pair hands will probably check this through, so they bet this nearly everytime.

Spending two extra bets in this pot with a second best hand isn't horrible because you win a fair amount and get paid really well for it. I'd probably fold if it comes back capped somehow.

Also, the pot is large and a raise may knock out a really weak 1 card flush draw. Maybe. Although you can't give them improper odds to call with a flush draw, you should still charge them the max.

EDIT: Am I retarded too ak13?

MrBig30

08-30-2005, 07:19 AM

Looks ok. A turn raise to charge the one-card flushdraws the maximum could be a good idea... but I think it is close between calling/raising.
3 other players calling a preflop raise and then a flop 3-bet on a twoflush board, I am guessing someone (most likely button, the 3-bet coldcaller) has the flush at least 50% of the time (if they are not extremely loose).
I would play it the same.

Roy6

08-30-2005, 08:06 AM

I would raise the turn.

aflaba

08-30-2005, 08:16 AM

No one 3-bets the river?

aflaba

08-30-2005, 08:24 AM

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Looks ok. A turn raise to charge the one-card flushdraws the maximum could be a good idea... but I think it is close between calling/raising.
3 other players calling a preflop raise and then a flop 3-bet on a twoflush board, I am guessing someone (most likely button, the 3-bet coldcaller) has the flush at least 50% of the time (if they are not extremely loose).
I would play it the same.

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I was also afraid of the Button having a flush. But I was even more afraid of BB who bets out, being the passive player he is, 50/0, 1, I figured he was very probable to have made the flush. Was my fear of him unrational?

krishanleong

08-30-2005, 08:33 AM

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No one 3-bets the river?

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I do. I also raise the turn. Calling the river ain't bad though.

Krishan

flawless_victory

08-30-2005, 08:35 AM

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No one 3-bets the river?

[/ QUOTE ]river threebet is really super obvious to me.

helpmeout

08-30-2005, 08:37 AM

pot is big on the turn you dont want lone kings or queens hanging around you also want to get rid of low spades, a raise is a must

MrBig30

08-30-2005, 09:11 AM

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pot is big on the turn you dont want lone kings or queens hanging around you also want to get rid of low spades, a raise is a must

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On second thought I think a turn raise is definitely better than calling, for the exact above reason.