was this a bad play? Bubble bust hand.

***** Hand History for Game 2621752856 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 15287109) - Tue Aug 30 00:38:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 11929 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: andy_fish (2080)
Seat 6: albert3938 (2195)
Seat 8: jokehole (2275)
Seat 9: cox304 (1450)
cox304 posts small blind (150)
andy_fish posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to andy_fish [ 5c, Ts ]
albert3938 calls (300)
jokehole folds.
cox304 folds.
andy_fish checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7s, 3h, 5h ]
andy_fish bets (1780)
andy_fish is all-In.
albert3938 calls (1780)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
Creating Main Pot with $4310 with andy_fish
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4310 |
Board: [ 7s 3h 5h 2c 6c ]
andy_fish balance 0, lost 2080 [ 5c Ts ] [ a pair of fives -- Ts,7s,6c,5c,5h ]
albert3938 balance 4425, bet 2080, collected 4310, net +2230 [ 8c 8h ] [ a pair of eights -- 8c,8h,7s,6c,5h ]
jokehole balance 2275, didn't bet (folded)
cox304 balance 1300, lost 150 (folded)

Slow playing 8s? WTF?

[Ogre]

dont post results, you will get better answers.

I would push pf here quite a bit at the 100s. other then that i would bet 300 and fold to a push on the flop

good point...maybe I should have just made a decent sized bet instead of a push. My thinking was that no way could a limper have hit that flop better than I did and figured it was an auto-push.

[Jman28]

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maybe I should have just made a decent sized bet instead of a push.

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If you would call a push after a smaller raise, then it's better to push initially.

[ChuckNorris]

No need to push the flop. Minibet should be enough to find out whether you're good or not.

Yeah...I agree...I did screw this up...he could have easily had AA and been slow playing...or JT. The fact that he had 88 is irrelevant. Oh well...live and learn...that is why I joined these forums.

[jt1]

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No need to push the flop. Minibet should be enough to find out whether you're good or not.



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I don't know about a mini-bet. I'd least bet the pot. I want to leave overcards and gutshots no doubt as to what they should do. You'll still have about t1000 to work with.

[pdxjayhawk]

I'm curious. Why at least bet the pot? Can't you accomplish the same thing, a little more cheaply, by doing an HOH style bet of about 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot?

I've been having a lot of success with that move lately. It doesn't let the draw hands stay in for cheap, but it also lets you know where you stand.

In that situation, wouldn't you want to lead out with something like that and if called, check/fold the turn UI?

Maybe I'm a big wussy, but I'm not looking for a way to shove that hand.

[ChuckNorris]

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No need to push the flop. Minibet should be enough to find out whether you're good or not.

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I don't know about a mini-bet. I'd least bet the pot. I want to leave overcards and gutshots no doubt as to what they should do. You'll still have about t1000 to work with.

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Betting the pot won't significantly increase the chances of villain folding compared to a minibet, which costs only half as much. Remember that minibet is 1/2 pot here, which is usually quite enough in a 2-way pot. If they call your 1/2 pot bet with overcards and gutshots, or even better draws, they're making a mistake, since you aren't giving them any more money.