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TheHoss
08-29-2005, 09:54 PM
topic says it all I think, appreciate any responses /images/graemlins/grin.gif
AKQJ10
08-29-2005, 10:10 PM
poker
backgammon
chess
SheridanCat
08-29-2005, 10:36 PM
I would also guess "Go".
Also, Hungry Hungry Hippo. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Regards,
T
Sports and horse betting if you know your stuff.
Blackjack if you count cards and the rules are favorable.
TaoTe
08-30-2005, 12:20 AM
I'm the WAR champion of the world for three years running. Not bragging, just saying if you know you're stuff at WAR is where the real money is.
AKQJ10
08-30-2005, 12:35 AM
Is that Casino War or regular War?
TaoTe
08-30-2005, 01:59 AM
ol' school, homie.
stigmata
08-30-2005, 05:56 AM
I would like to think that any game has exploitable weaknesses.
E.g. Card-counting, or those east-european dudes who beat the Ritz roullete wheel for several million pounds last year, and won the impending court case.
Of course, if you obey "house rules" then these games cannot be beaten.
Mooski
08-30-2005, 07:01 AM
I'm about 80% win at FreeCell after about 2k games. Is my sample size too small?
SheridanCat
08-30-2005, 08:56 AM
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Is that Casino War or regular War?
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Casino War is unbeatable because you can't control your opponent with your mind, as you can in regular war.
T
SheridanCat
08-30-2005, 08:58 AM
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I'm about 80% win at FreeCell after about 2k games. Is my sample size too small?
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Come back when your FreecellTracker database has 10K hands and then we'll talk. You'll need an aggression factor of at least 10 to beat it consistently.
T
aargh57
08-30-2005, 12:03 PM
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I would like to think that any game has exploitable weaknesses.
E.g. Card-counting, or those east-european dudes who beat the Ritz roullete wheel for several million pounds last year, and won the impending court case.
Of course, if you obey "house rules" then these games cannot be beaten.
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Do you mean by cheating? How did they beat roulette without cheating, or if they cheated, how did they win the court case? I never heard about this. Thanks.
stigmata
08-30-2005, 12:32 PM
The used some sort of high-tech laser? device implanted in a mobile phone to predict the ball based on trajectory/velocity. They won several million, but then got caught. They were cleared in court of any wrong doing. It was reported in the UK media (try searching bbc), and posted here at some point in the last year.
SheridanCat
08-30-2005, 12:49 PM
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Do you mean by cheating? How did they beat roulette without cheating, or if they cheated, how did they win the court case? I never heard about this. Thanks.
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Apparently there have been teams who beat roulette by tracking wheel biases.
Regards,
T
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I would like to think that any game has exploitable weaknesses.
E.g. Card-counting, or those east-european dudes who beat the Ritz roullete wheel for several million pounds last year, and won the impending court case.
Of course, if you obey "house rules" then these games cannot be beaten.
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Do you mean by cheating? How did they beat roulette without cheating, or if they cheated, how did they win the court case? I never heard about this. Thanks.
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I recall they installed some sort of laser speed sensor (kinda like the police use to speed trap) in to a cell phone then using some calculations they could determine the velocity of the ball and determine about where the ball might land, using this information they knew where to place their bets to raise their expected value enough to win tons of money.
Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1175769,00.html)
correia
08-30-2005, 01:32 PM
Poker
Backgammon
Chess
Gin
When you asked what games could be beat long term... I think you wanted a real answer.
What youre looking for is games where you can exploit weekness on multiple beating rounds. Ironically, NL hold'em is one of the hardest to be profitable at long term. You need like a 2-3 year sampling... the swings are just to great.
Limit Omaha and 7 stud H/L are the easiest to beat and be a long term winner.
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The used some sort of high-tech laser? device implanted in a mobile phone to predict the ball based on trajectory/velocity. They won several million, but then got caught. They were cleared in court of any wrong doing. It was reported in the UK media (try searching bbc), and posted here at some point in the last year.
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You guys watch to much TV... that was an episode of Las Vegas on channel 4.
Twitch1977
08-30-2005, 03:50 PM
Yes but that episode of Las Vegas was an adaptation of an actual event.
T
stigmata
08-30-2005, 06:08 PM
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The used some sort of high-tech laser? device implanted in a mobile phone to predict the ball based on trajectory/velocity. They won several million, but then got caught. They were cleared in court of any wrong doing. It was reported in the UK media (try searching bbc), and posted here at some point in the last year.
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You guys watch to much TV... that was an episode of Las Vegas on channel 4.
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The gradian is a very respected daily here dude.
Quicksilvre
08-30-2005, 06:17 PM
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I'm about 80% win at FreeCell after about 2k games. Is my sample size too small?
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Come back when your FreecellTracker database has 10K hands and then we'll talk. You'll need an aggression factor of at least 10 to beat it consistently.
T
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With all seriousness, virtually every random FreeCell game is beatable. Out of the standard 28,000 deals in the Microsoft set, all but one can be beaten.
linky (http://www.solitairelaboratory.com/fcfaq.html)
SheridanCat
08-30-2005, 07:11 PM
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I'm about 80% win at FreeCell after about 2k games. Is my sample size too small?
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Come back when your FreecellTracker database has 10K hands and then we'll talk. You'll need an aggression factor of at least 10 to beat it consistently.
T
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With all seriousness, virtually every random FreeCell game is beatable. Out of the standard 28,000 deals in the Microsoft set, all but one can be beaten.
linky (http://www.solitairelaboratory.com/fcfaq.html)
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Interesting, I thought they could ALL be beaten.
T
Quicksilvre
08-30-2005, 10:03 PM
I believe that, on average, about eight out of a million are unsolvable. Windows 95 used to have joke games labeled -1 and -2 that were constructed to be unbeatable.
I am the world's greatest player at TipTop. No human being alive can beat my amazing TipTop skill.
http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/pp.html
And, it's my understanding that there are certain video poker machines that are +EV if played perfectly.
SheridanCat
08-31-2005, 09:25 AM
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I am the world's greatest player at TipTop. No human being alive can beat my amazing TipTop skill.
http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/pp.html
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I made 2700. I'm sure that's pathetic. Nice game.
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And, it's my understanding that there are certain video poker machines that are +EV if played perfectly.
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Yeah, and they can be hard to find. I believe one is 9/6 Jacks or Better, which I actually found at Caesars at .25 denomination.
Regards,
T
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