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Entity
08-29-2005, 06:06 PM
Villain is a very good, very tough, multitabling LAGTAG -- 32/20/2.5 or so. Name starts with Redsox, I'm sure you 10/20 guys have played him a lot. He's been tough so far, and I know that he's not the right guy to have on my right, but the rest of the table has been pretty soft and has been making up for it.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...

Just check-fold and let him have it?

Rob
Lmn55d
08-29-2005, 06:28 PM
I would call turn and call a lot of rivers.
DeathDonkey
08-29-2005, 06:31 PM
Dude you have the second nut no pair!

-DeathDonkey
college_boy
08-29-2005, 06:32 PM
I c/c turn c/c river. If you show aggression he'll have to fold pocket pairs that you just took the lead from. He'll probably keep betting hands you split with and maybe hands like 22-99 trying to get you to fold. I don't think folding is an option in this hand, and I don't like betting much either.
DMBFan23
08-29-2005, 06:36 PM
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I c/c turn c/c river. If you show aggression he'll have to fold pocket pairs that you just took the lead from. He'll probably keep betting hands you split with and maybe hands like 22-99 trying to get you to fold. I don't think folding is an option in this hand, and I don't like betting much either.

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what pocket pairs did you just take the lead from?
MarkD
08-29-2005, 06:38 PM
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I c/c turn c/c river. If you show aggression he'll have to fold pocket pairs that you just took the lead from. He'll probably keep betting hands you split with and maybe hands like 22-99 trying to get you to fold. I don't think folding is an option in this hand, and I don't like betting much either.

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what pocket pairs did you just take the lead from?

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55-TT
MarkD
08-29-2005, 06:39 PM
What exactly is the point of betting on this flop?

edit: The turn helped you. I don't fold this hand now.
istewart
08-29-2005, 06:53 PM
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I c/c turn c/c river. If you show aggression he'll have to fold pocket pairs that you just took the lead from. He'll probably keep betting hands you split with and maybe hands like 22-99 trying to get you to fold. I don't think folding is an option in this hand, and I don't like betting much either.

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what pocket pairs did you just take the lead from?

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55-TT

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The board is QJJJ not QQJJ.
Poldi
08-29-2005, 06:55 PM
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I c/c turn c/c river. If you show aggression he'll have to fold pocket pairs that you just took the lead from. He'll probably keep betting hands you split with and maybe hands like 22-99 trying to get you to fold. I don't think folding is an option in this hand, and I don't like betting much either.

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what pocket pairs did you just take the lead from?

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55-TT

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Pocket pairs make a full house, hero only has the trips on board with AQ kicker.
college_boy
08-29-2005, 07:09 PM
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I c/c turn c/c river. If you show aggression he'll have to fold pocket pairs that you just took the lead from. He'll probably keep betting hands you split with and maybe hands like 22-99 trying to get you to fold. I don't think folding is an option in this hand, and I don't like betting much either.

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what pocket pairs did you just take the lead from?

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55-TT

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Pocket pairs make a full house, hero only has the trips on board with AQ kicker.

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wheelz
08-29-2005, 07:19 PM
Don't let him have [censored]!
beachbum
08-29-2005, 07:37 PM
I've played RedSox in 5/10, I've never played 10/20. I guess he jumps levels.
tongni
08-29-2005, 07:44 PM
Call down.
aK13
08-29-2005, 07:50 PM
I think you can pick a better spot. That board usually means you're toast.
wheelz
08-29-2005, 07:54 PM
Don't you think that board is also rife with draws for him to semibluff?
SippinSoma
08-29-2005, 08:27 PM
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I've played RedSox in 5/10, I've never played 10/20. I guess he jumps levels.

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beset7
08-29-2005, 08:43 PM
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I've played RedSox in 5/10, I've never played 10/20. I guess he jumps levels.

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I understand making a post that's just a qoute when the point is well-stated or important. But what is the point of this? Not attacking just really curious. The fact that he plays both limits is worth restating?
BreakEvenPlayer
08-29-2005, 09:12 PM
He has you beat and he's not folding. These guys NEVER slowplay and they usually don't overplay draws. The correct play is to check call turn and check fold the river if you don't improve.
yanicehand
08-29-2005, 09:27 PM
I really don't see how raising the flop for a free card is "overplaying" a draw. His flop reraise can mean countless things here. The turn is really interesting, and it makes me want to bet and fold a flush draw/straight draw that could catch on the river and call for another bet.
BreakEvenPlayer
08-29-2005, 09:35 PM
These thinking LAG's don't make free card plays.
yanicehand
08-29-2005, 09:38 PM
I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion. /images/graemlins/frown.gif I see people with these stats make raises with draws constantly.
SippinSoma
08-29-2005, 09:42 PM
Never assume I put thought behind my posts.
beset7
08-29-2005, 09:59 PM
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Never assume I put thought behind my posts.

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oreogod
08-29-2005, 11:42 PM
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These thinking LAG's don't make free card plays.

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wtf?

He could easily be raising top pair, flush, or gutshot/str8 draw here. While a free card play happens, so do pressure plays.
BreakEvenPlayer
08-29-2005, 11:59 PM
whatever. i guarantee if you check the turn this guy will bet.
dave44
08-30-2005, 12:00 AM
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Villain is a very good, very tough, multitabling LAGTAG -- 32/20/2.5 or so. Name starts with Redsox, I'm sure you 10/20 guys have played him a lot. He's been tough so far, and I know that he's not the right guy to have on my right,

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On a side note, if there is a loose and tricky player like him wouldn't you rather have him on your right than your left?
MarkD
08-30-2005, 12:13 AM
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I c/c turn c/c river. If you show aggression he'll have to fold pocket pairs that you just took the lead from. He'll probably keep betting hands you split with and maybe hands like 22-99 trying to get you to fold. I don't think folding is an option in this hand, and I don't like betting much either.

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what pocket pairs did you just take the lead from?

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55-TT

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The board is QJJJ not QQJJ.

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Sorry, I had a migraine when I posted and that's exactly what I thought the board was QQJJ. Since it is QJJJ that changes things quite a bit.
Entity
08-30-2005, 12:18 AM
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whatever. i guarantee if you check the turn this guy will bet.

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What's your point? This isn't the sort of player, you're right, to attempt to "free card" me. It's the sort of player to keep betting T9 on the turn and on the river. But still, am I ahead often enough to call down?

I really botched this one IMO.

Rob
Monty Cantsin
08-30-2005, 12:28 AM
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Villain is a very good, very tough...


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Don't 3-bet him with ATo.

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Entity
08-30-2005, 12:40 AM
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Don't 3-bet him with ATo.

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Coldcall? You can't fold against someone who is raising almost any two in that spot.

Rob
Monty Cantsin
08-30-2005, 12:49 AM
Sorry, my bad, I didn't pay attention to the positions.

I c/c turn, river.

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BreakEvenPlayer
08-30-2005, 01:06 AM
Villain has a Q, a J, or a pocket pair 88 or less. that's my opinion when i see this PF and flop action. i think he calls flop with straight/flush draws. and he's not stone cold bluffing.

An intrinsic aspect of playing the Party 10/20 is learning how to deal with these ~30-35 VPIP ~20-25 PFR players. they're more predictable than you think. the only time i see them pushing draws is when they have a very strong one out of the blinds and they are defend your PF raise. i don't see these guys semi-bluff checkraise, i don't see these guys make free card plays with position on the flop.

if people want to post hand histories and prove me wrong go ahead.

(this guy is actually more borderline of the variety.. 32/20 isn't very laggish)