If you flopped a set in the bubble, do you make this call?

You flopped a set in the bubble, knowing that your opponent is on a flush draw, and there is a short stack about to be blind out.
Do you guys make this call here?


#Game No : 2617590863
***** Hand History for Game 2617590863 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15265243 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 29, 09:46:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11492 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: what1985 ( $2440 )
Seat 4: Bennu ( $520 )
Seat 10: PartyRocks ( $2060 )
Seat 8: GoAheadTryIt ( $2980 )
Trny:15265243 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PartyRocks [ 3d 3c ]
PartyRocks raises [400].
what1985 calls [400].
Bennu folds.
GoAheadTryIt folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8c, 3h ]
PartyRocks bets [200].
what1985 is all-In [2040]


What do you do next?

[jccookjr]

The only way to win a tournament is to take some chances. You've got the best hand and will probably double up. Call.

[EnderFFX]

[ QUOTE ]
You flopped a set, knowing that your opponent is on a flush draw in the bubble, and there is a short stack about to be blind out.
Do you guys make this call here?


#Game No : 2617590863
***** Hand History for Game 2617590863 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15265243 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 29, 09:46:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11492 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: what1985 ( $2440 )
Seat 4: Bennu ( $520 )
Seat 10: PartyRocks ( $2060 )
Seat 8: GoAheadTryIt ( $2980 )
Trny:15265243 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PartyRocks [ 3d 3c ]
PartyRocks raises [400].
what1985 calls [400].
Bennu folds.
GoAheadTryIt folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8c, 3h ]
PartyRocks bets [200].
what1985 is all-In [2040]


What do you do next?

[/ QUOTE ]

Call it and don't break your finger by clicking too fast.

What are you doing min-raising pocket 3's UTG with 10 BB? I think this is a push/fold situation where I am DEFINITLY leaning toward fold.

Let me take a wild guess at the outcome:
Opponent had a higher set or
Opponent had a flush draw and caught or
Opponent had a random two card hand that beat yours

I dont think the Big Stack would risk all his stack on a draw. Top-pair or overpair sounds more like it. So calling should be safe.

[citanul]

[ QUOTE ]
I dont think the Big Stack would risk all his stack on a draw. Top-pair or overpair sounds more like it. So calling should be safe.

[/ QUOTE ]

pft, if big stack is a 2+2er, he's semi likely to make this play with any two...

citanul

[Uppercut]

[ QUOTE ]
You flopped a set in the bubble, guessing that your opponent is on a flush draw, and there is a short stack about to be blind out.
Do you guys make this call here?

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

[se2schul]

Your T200 bet on the flop looks weak. Your opponent probably thinks you have weak holdings and is trying to push you off the pot. Unless I have a strong read, I'd call his push and expect to win 80% of the time.

I think you did a good job of inducing a bluff by him. Now call him down and take his money.

[se2schul]

Also, I would've bet bigger on the flop.

[the_joker]

What's up with all that min betting and min raising? Like se2schul said, you did a nice job of looking weak, now call.

And also, fold pre-flop. You don't need to be mixing it up with big stacks with marginal hands when someone is almost out.

[bennies]

What's with the minraise here?
I fold preflop. If I don't fold then I limp (probably because I don't want small stack to push and get the blinds...).

Ok, but it was a minraise and a call and trips on the flop. One thing I'm trying to teach myself is not to be smart on the bubble. So I push right away, no min-betting, I don't want to face a push myself and have to call...

[EnderFFX]

[ QUOTE ]
You flopped a set in the bubble, knowing that your opponent is on a flush draw, and there is a short stack about to be blind out.
Do you guys make this call here?


#Game No : 2617590863
***** Hand History for Game 2617590863 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15265243 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 29, 09:46:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11492 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: what1985 ( $2440 )
Seat 4: Bennu ( $520 )
Seat 10: PartyRocks ( $2060 )
Seat 8: GoAheadTryIt ( $2980 )
Trny:15265243 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PartyRocks [ 3d 3c ]
PartyRocks raises [400].
what1985 calls [400].
Bennu folds.
GoAheadTryIt folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8c, 3h ]
PartyRocks bets [200].
what1985 is all-In [2040]


What do you do next?

[/ QUOTE ]

This sounds like a results oriented post because we "know the opponent is on a flush draw". If I know or didn't know, I would call. You've already thrown away 600 chips out of a stack of 2000, you are in the lead, you have one of his clubs, you have redraws if he catches. If you catch he is drawing dead (unless he has something like 67c or some other straight flush draw).

[Wolf101]

To me, that all in move of his makes me think he'd like you to go away quietly. I'd call.

FWIW, I would have folded pf too.

[Nicok7]

With the information at hand, I call, he could be on pretty much any two, If I was him I would be!

Say he flipped his cards face up showing a flush draw, however.. I'd CALL. Youre a 2:1 favorite and when you win you have half the chips in play, ready to bully and reraise people with any two once the short stack ahs folded, awesome.

[SippinSoma]

Push the button in the middle.

Well, I didnt feel like pushing 10x BB UTG w/ a pair of 3s while there is a short stack about to die and the table is pretty weak.
I've min rasied w/ Ks UTG couple hands ago and shown everyone. I was trying to represent the same thing and if somebody come back the top of me, I am gone.

Again, I've min bet on the flop in the pass against the same guy, he pushed all in, I immediately mucked my hand. Clearly i'm trying to get him to push.

Well here is the result, and this is like the 20th out of money loseing streak....


#Game No : 2617590863
***** Hand History for Game 2617590863 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15265243 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 29, 09:46:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11492 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: what1985 ( $2440 )
Seat 4: Bennu ( $520 )
Seat 10: PartyRocks ( $2060 )
Seat 8: GoAheadTryIt ( $2980 )
Trny:15265243 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PartyRocks [ 3d 3c ]
PartyRocks raises [400].
what1985 calls [400].
Bennu folds.
GoAheadTryIt folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8c, 3h ]
PartyRocks bets [200].
what1985 is all-In [2040]
PartyRocks is all-In [1460]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
PartyRocks shows [ 3d, 3c ] three of a kind, threes.
what1985 shows [ Qc, Ac ] a flush, ace high.
what1985 wins 380 chips from side pot #1 with a flush, ace high.
what1985 wins 4420 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
PartyRocks finished in fourth place.
PartyRocks has left the table.
Game #2617592424 starts.

The way you phrased the question (you know villain is on a flush draw) it's a tough decision and you may want to consult with ICM. Problem is that you con't possibly KNOW villain has a flush draw and therefore you should be very happy to call. I also see this as an easy folp preflop.

[Karak567]

1) Fold preflop

2) If you don't fold preflop and you don't call this all in then WTF are you doing?

Seriously stop being results oriented. You just posted the results AKA a bad beat post. That won't make you any better.

[Hornacek]

[ QUOTE ]
Seriously stop being results oriented. You just posted the results AKA a bad beat post. That won't make you any better.

[/ QUOTE ]

NH.

[45suited]

[ QUOTE ]
1) Fold preflop

2) If you don't fold preflop and you don't call this all in then WTF are you doing?

Seriously stop being results oriented. You just posted the results AKA a bad beat post. That won't make you any better.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly. Stop trying to mask a bad beat post by acting like it contains content. Like he said, if you're going to fold a set here, WTF did you play the hand for? Useless junk post.

[pooh74]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, I didnt feel like pushing 10x BB UTG w/ a pair of 3s while there is a short stack about to die and the table is pretty weak.
I've min rasied w/ Ks UTG couple hands ago and shown everyone. I was trying to represent the same thing and if somebody come back the top of me, I am gone.

Again, I've min bet on the flop in the pass against the same guy, he pushed all in, I immediately mucked my hand. Clearly i'm trying to get him to push.

Well here is the result, and this is like the 20th out of money loseing streak....


#Game No : 2617590863
***** Hand History for Game 2617590863 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15265243 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 29, 09:46:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11492 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: what1985 ( $2440 )
Seat 4: Bennu ( $520 )
Seat 10: PartyRocks ( $2060 )
Seat 8: GoAheadTryIt ( $2980 )
Trny:15265243 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PartyRocks [ 3d 3c ]
PartyRocks raises [400].
what1985 calls [400].
Bennu folds.
GoAheadTryIt folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8c, 3h ]
PartyRocks bets [200].
what1985 is all-In [2040]
PartyRocks is all-In [1460]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
PartyRocks shows [ 3d, 3c ] three of a kind, threes.
what1985 shows [ Qc, Ac ] a flush, ace high.
what1985 wins 380 chips from side pot #1 with a flush, ace high.
what1985 wins 4420 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
PartyRocks finished in fourth place.
PartyRocks has left the table.
Game #2617592424 starts.

[/ QUOTE ]

Party does still rock apparently. This is such awful play all around.

Hate the Preflop minraise even after your KK minraise/show hand. Fold this PF. Villain's post flop line is horrible too.

What makes the above all so bad is the 520 stack laughing and giggling at home in his underwear...I try to avoid making little stacks giggle like little girls like that.

[Myst]

[ QUOTE ]
You flopped a set in the bubble, knowing that your opponent is on a flush draw, and there is a short stack about to be blind out.
Do you guys make this call here?


#Game No : 2617590863
***** Hand History for Game 2617590863 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:15265243 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 29, 09:46:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11492 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: what1985 ( $2440 )
Seat 4: Bennu ( $520 )
Seat 10: PartyRocks ( $2060 )
Seat 8: GoAheadTryIt ( $2980 )
Trny:15265243 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PartyRocks [ 3d 3c ]
PartyRocks raises [400].
what1985 calls [400].
Bennu folds.
GoAheadTryIt folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8c, 3h ]
PartyRocks bets [200].
what1985 is all-In [2040]


What do you do next?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, I like folding and whining like a little girl.


Now that's better poker!

[ QUOTE ]
1) Fold preflop

2) If you don't fold preflop and you don't call this all in then WTF are you doing?

Seriously stop being results oriented. You just posted the results AKA a bad beat post. That won't make you any better.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I'm not trying to post a bad beat post, I've been reading 2+2 and playing 10/20 for over a year. Plus, this doesnt even count as a bad beat.

I want to know if a fold is mathematically correct in when there is a short stack in the bubble.

[45suited]

Look, if you're that concerned about a flush draw because of the presence of a short stack, the why are you making a weak bet on the flop?

The real question is, what do you do if your wimpy flop bet is called and the third club comes on the turn?

If you're that concerned and want to get out of the hand without further jeopardy, just push the flop straight away. It's silly to induce action when you are so afraid of getting any.

But obviously you should call the push. Folding would be terrible and you know it.

[pooh74]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
1) Fold preflop

2) If you don't fold preflop and you don't call this all in then WTF are you doing?

Seriously stop being results oriented. You just posted the results AKA a bad beat post. That won't make you any better.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I'm not trying to post a bad beat post, I've been reading 2+2 and playing 10/20 for over a year. Plus, this doesnt even count as a bad beat.

I want to know if a fold is mathematically correct in when there is a short stack in the bubble.

[/ QUOTE ]

But dont you see? Why call/raise 33 here if youre not going to the mats on this flop? Yes you should consider the Shortstack, but do so preflop....this flop is a nutbuster, of course you call.

[Hornacek]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
1) Fold preflop

2) If you don't fold preflop and you don't call this all in then WTF are you doing?

Seriously stop being results oriented. You just posted the results AKA a bad beat post. That won't make you any better.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I'm not trying to post a bad beat post, I've been reading 2+2 and playing 10/20 for over a year. Plus, this doesnt even count as a bad beat.

I want to know if a fold is mathematically correct in when there is a short stack in the bubble.

[/ QUOTE ]

So now you want validation because of the limits you play? puahahaha...

I think most people are saying... how were you 100% you were against a flush draw? There's no way you could have! Additionally, flopping a set is pretty damn good man... about the best you could hope for with your play thus far. Folding here would be some weakass [censored]. I'd recommend reading up on more SNGs. I hope your Ring Game play is better. Fold preflop, or get ready to commit.