Question about omaha hi lo

[Hung]

I spend most of the time in the IG forum. So I'm gonna ask the question here. I hope there're hi lo specialists here.

<pre><font class="small">code:</font><hr> and #113471-238 at Waimanalo (Pot Limit Omaha 8/b)
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Started at 12/Apr/03 19:40:50

porkchop is at seat 0 with $205.85 (sitting out).
casinoina is at seat 1 with $29.
diamondjim is at seat 2 with $53.50.
Natural One is at seat 3 with $99.
apples is at seat 4 with $40.75.
Fooge is at seat 5 with $98.50.
RR2 is at seat 6 with $71.
Wong Fei Hung is at seat 7 with $91.25.
cgbruno is at seat 8 with $17.25.
dslacker is at seat 9 with $43.25.
The button is at seat 7.

cgbruno posts the small blind of $.50.
dslacker posts the big blind of $1.

casinoina: -- -- -- --
diamondjim: -- -- -- --
Natural One: -- -- -- --
apples: -- -- -- --
Fooge: -- -- -- --
RR2: -- -- -- --
Wong Fei Hung: 6h 5c 3s 5d
cgbruno: -- -- -- --
dslacker: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

casinoina calls $1. diamondjim calls $1. Natural
One calls $1. apples calls $1. Fooge folds. RR2
calls $1. Wong Fei Hung calls $1. cgbruno calls $1.
dslacker checks.

Flop (board: 2d 7s 4h):

cgbruno checks. dslacker bets $2. casinoina calls
$2. diamondjim calls $2. Natural One raises to $14.
apples folds. RR2 folds. Wong Fei Hung folds.
cgbruno folds. dslacker folds. casinoina folds.
diamondjim folds. Natural One is returned $12
(uncalled). </pre><hr>
I need a 6 or an A. But I already have a 6. So that gives me less outs. Many callers, so I gues they should be holding aces. Giving me less outs. Easy fold right?

Ok next hand.

<pre><font class="small">code:</font><hr> Hand #113139-1680 at Regina (Pot Limit Omaha 8/b)
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Started at 12/Apr/03 19:54:24

perro bravo is at seat 0 with $32.75.
pokernut2 is at seat 2 with $51.80.
Wong Fei Hung is at seat 5 with $100.15.
jaws2002 is at seat 9 with $38.55.
The button is at seat 9.

perro bravo posts the small blind of $.50.
pokernut2 posts the big blind of $1.

perro bravo: -- -- -- --
pokernut2: -- -- -- --
Wong Fei Hung: 9d 2c Ac 7h
jaws2002: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

Wong Fei Hung calls $1. jaws2002 raises to $3.25.
perro bravo calls $3.25. pokernut2 folds. Wong Fei
Hung calls $3.25.

Flop (board: Td 6h 8d):

perro bravo checks. Wong Fei Hung bets $5. jaws2002
raises to $10. perro bravo folds. Wong Fei Hung
re-raises to $40.75. jaws2002 goes all-in for $35.30.
Wong Fei Hung is returned $5.45 (uncalled).

Turn (board: Td 6h 8d 6d):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Td 6h 8d 6d 8s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

Wong Fei Hung shows 9d 2c Ac 7h.
Wong Fei Hung has 9d 7h Td 6h 8d: straight, ten high.
Wong Fei Hung has no qualifying low hand.
jaws2002 shows Ts 5h 5d 7d.
jaws2002 has 5d 7d Td 8d 6d: flush, ten high.
jaws2002 has no qualifying low hand.


Hand #113139-1680 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $81.35.
jaws2002 wins $79.35 with flush, ten high. </pre><hr>

I have the straight and draw for nutlow. Should I better just call? Or did I make the right move and got unlucky? He had a flush and straightdraw. No better low. So only the flush could save him. And of course he got it.

Something else that happened to me earlier today.
I'm playing NL HE 0.10-0.25. I get big slick. I raise $1 to go. Two callers. The flop is 4AK rainbow. First guy checks, second bets 0.25 and I raise pot. First guy calls and the second guy folds.
What do you think he has? He must have an ace? Right? To call $1 preflop. Maybe some gambler could have pocket fours. Or Ax. Turn is a 4. I bet $4 and he raises me $4. I knew he had a 4. But why did he call in the first place. Maybe A4? I couldn't muck my AK. They stick like glue at my fingers. So I decide to pay and hope for an A or K. River is a rag. I check and he checks. He shows 47o.

The only comment I got from the rest of the table was: welcome to the world of the fish. I don't get it. Calling preflop is not so bad. Any two will do. But when you miss the flop and someone bets pot, it's time to fold no? What was he thinking? I wanted to ask him, but he left.

[TobDog]

First hand, actually you need an Ace, 3, 5, or 6 to make your straight. If you catch your ace, you will have nut low, if you catch one of the other cards, you will make a higher straight. I think that was a call. The second hand is hard when you have a guy going al in with the flush draw with the board paired. I don't play enough omaha, but in a situation like that, with a straight, I would think it is already overtaken or it has more (bad for you good for them) outs against it than blanks on the river.

[pudley4]

Hand 1 you have 16 outs (4 aces, 3 threes, 2 fives, 3 sixes, 4 eights) to the nut straight, and an A gives you the nut low also. Depending on what your opponent has, you could be a 7-3 favorite (he has a set of 7's and no low draw) or a 7-3 underdog (he has the nut low, and a set of 7's and 2 runner runner flush draws). I'd post this one in the "Other Poker" forum and see what they say.

Hand 2, here are the heads-up numbers for your two hands:

<pre><font class="small">code:</font><hr>pokenum -o8 ac 2c 7h 9d - 5h 5d 7d ts -- td 6h 8d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Td 8d 6h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ac 2c 9d 7h 406 410 317 93 558 9 0 0.704
Ts 7d 5d 5h 92 317 410 93 9 460 0 0.296</pre><hr>

So you are a 7-3 favorite on the flop. I'd say you got your money in when you had the best of it and that's the whole idea.

Hand 3 - your opponent had a pair on the flop. If he called $1 preflop with 47o, he'll most likely call your flop bet when he hits his pair. On the turn, you've only got 4 outs to beat him, but by my calculations there is $24 in the pot. So if you can get another $20 from him on the river when you hit your A or K, then you can call. Remember, you want him to make that call. You are over 11-1 favorite here so you make tons of money off him every time he calls.

[beernutz]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
I need a 6 or an A. But I already have a 6. So that gives me less outs. Many callers, so I gues they should be holding aces. Giving me less outs. Easy fold right?


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Good lord hung, think about it; you got one of the better flops you could hope for. What exactly were you hoping to flop other than a miracle 55x, etc?

PS That hand is a big slice of cheese, IMO.

[Hung]

Thanks a lot of your reply. I'll analyze it tomorrow. I'm too tired now. I have to play more hi lo, it's a fun game and a lot of money to win. There's always a nice hi lo game running. That's why I started to play.

I know that guy is a big fish. But it sure pissed me off that moment.

[iblucky4u2]

Hung, your call with the first hand puts you in the same category as the 47o caller. In O/8 your hand is a real dog. Avoid these hands and you will avoid lots of other questionable decisions and save yourself lots of $.

If you were in the BB and saw the flop for no $ and got that flop, you would be pretty happy. You have a great drawing hand as pointed out by others. O/8 is a game of drawing hands.

Hand 2 shows that in O/8 there are some real fish out there. You had the best of the flop and had a draw to the nut low. You made an excellent raise and were glad to have the caller. For him to call with a draw to the idiot end of the str8 and a bad flush shows how bad an O/8 player he is. You should be aware that when you flop a str8, especially with two cards making a flush draw, your str8 is very very vulnerable. In PL or NL O/8, get your $ in there while you have the best of it and try to win the pot right there.

As for the HE hand, I would say send the limo for any player who would call any bet with 47o. You beg to have these players in your games. If they never sucked out with these bad hands, they would not be playing and presenting you with gifts hand after hand.

[Hung]

Hey pudley,

How did you calculate the odds for the second hand? Which program did you use? It's pretty interesting.
I'm a novice. For all pokergames. But PLO hi lo is new for me. And I'm doing not so bad. This means the other players are even worse. There's a lot of action at that table so I love to play there. But my edge is nihil, I don't know how to count my odds. I should learn how to play hi lo and go back to that table. The first time I played there I was really tight and I blind me to death. I waited for hands like A233, A2KK, A234, etc. All very good hands, but they don't come very often and if they come I flop high cards. The second time I played too loose and saw almost every flop. I'm doing better now. I know there's a book about hi lo. But it takes so long if I order it from amzon. By the time it arrives, I'm already down to 0.

Hey Pudley and the others, be nice and stay away from this table. Give me time to learn the game and win some money /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif /forums/images/icons/cool.gif

[Hung]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
Hung, your call with the first hand puts you in the same category as the 47o caller. In O/8 your hand is a real dog. Avoid these hands and you will avoid lots of other questionable decisions and save yourself lots of $.


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as you can see everyone called. The table is pretty loose. And I'm still a novice. I thought that hand was ok to see the flop. But I didn't know it was a good flop to call the big bet. I should have called. But now I know for next time. I can't sit and wait for good hands. I don't want to miss the action. It starts itching when money starts to flow.