pure bluff 5/10

[fimbulwinter]

we're deep

very good lag opens for 40 in lp, other very good solid player calls on button

J55r (120)

i check, lag bets 80, tightie calls, I make it 300.

fim

[kagame]

squeeeeeeeeeeeeze

looks good to me, unless tighty knows you like this move and is capable of cold calling with a monster

are you done with it if called? also, are you showing this ever?

[mgsimpleton]

never ever ever ever ever ever ever show a squeeze play bluff. it's one of the most profitable situations in poker.

[kagame]

for some reason i think fim might show these occassionally ;-)

[creedofhubris]

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we're deep

very good lag opens for 40 in lp, other very good solid player calls on button

J55r (120)

i check, lag bets 80, tightie calls, I make it 300.

fim

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When I am the pre-flop raiser and I make a continuation bet on a board with

(a) no big cards and
(b) a pair of small cards,

and I get raised or check-raised on the flop, I get very suspicious of that raise.

[lapoker17]

This is exactly why you need to use this move when you do flop big as well. I love reraising or checkraising a pf raiser on 55j board when I have 65 - they always think you're full of [censored]. So, in your hand, I would only do this if they know you will sometimes play a flopped monster this way.

[fimbulwinter]

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we're deep

very good lag opens for 40 in lp, other very good solid player calls on button

J55r (120)

i check, lag bets 80, tightie calls, I make it 300.

fim

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When I am the pre-flop raiser and I make a continuation bet on a board with

(a) no big cards and
(b) a pair of small cards,

and I get raised or check-raised on the flop, I get very suspicious of that raise.

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so you're willing to call this raise and 500 on the turn?

you must play in a much thougher game than me.

fim

[chuddo]

i like it a lot.

risking 300 to win 280. this play is going to work out more than half the time for me to make it profitable.

perfect board and relative positions to squeeze them both out.

but if called, by either spot, im giving up on the hand.

the only thing that sucks here is that: you are deep, both players are very good, and both have position on you.

this increases the chances that one of them will either pick up on the move and get to showdown, or even that they will put you on a bluff, call with nothing, only to re-bluff you on the turn or river.

all that said, i still think you are taking it down over half the time on the flop.

[AZK]

How would you play 99 here? Same way, no?

[fimbulwinter]

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How would you play 99 here? Same way, no?

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i would fold

fim

[TheWorstPlayer]

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How would you play 99 here? Same way, no?

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i would fold

fim

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You would fold 99 on a J55 board against a LAG? I don't get it.

[LethalRose]

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How would you play 99 here? Same way, no?

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i would fold

fim

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You would fold 99 on a J55 board against a LAG? I don't get it.

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A bet by a lag and then a call by a tight player I think 99 here is a fold.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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How would you play 99 here? Same way, no?

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i would fold

fim

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You would fold 99 on a J55 board against a LAG? I don't get it.

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A bet by a lag and then a call by a tight player I think 99 here is a fold.

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Forgot the call. Thank you.

[fimbulwinter]

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How would you play 99 here? Same way, no?

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i would fold

fim

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You would fold 99 on a J55 board against a LAG? I don't get it.

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A bet by a lag and then a call by a tight player I think 99 here is a fold.

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you're right, however that does not mean that im not folding the best hand the majority of the time...

fim

[AZK]

whats the diff btwn 99 and 'purebluff', that was my point

[NLfool]

J55r looks a bit too weird to me. No straight draw no flush draw, seems odd to play trip 5's so fast.

[fimbulwinter]

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whats the diff btwn 99 and 'purebluff', that was my point

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well, ok. this is not my default line in either case. my default is to not go apetit out of position. i might call with 99 here and hope that overstates my hand enough to get a cheap showdown against a bluff and a delayed bluff (and maybe even peel a 9). that line is not applicable ever wth 67.

basically i feel it is my right to win more than my fair share of pots cos my mother thinks imspecial.
fim

[creedofhubris]

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This is exactly why you need to use this move when you do flop big as well. I love reraising or checkraising a pf raiser on 55j board when I have 65 - they always think you're full of [censored]. So, in your hand, I would only do this if they know you will sometimes play a flopped monster this way.

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I agree entirely with this assessment.

[fimbulwinter]

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J55r looks a bit too weird to me. No straight draw no flush draw, seems odd to play trip 5's so fast.

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hmmmm, how to answer this one. ok ,if i have 555 on this flop there are few cards likely to help my opponents but those that do will result in me losing a very substantial pot.

fim

[Jason Strasser]

Make it closer to 400 with both ur good hands and [censored].

[Jason Strasser]

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whats the diff btwn 99 and 'purebluff', that was my point

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There is no difference except that 99 probably has 2 clean emergency outs and who knows what the purebluff has to root for.

[fimbulwinter]

lag all-in we both fold he flashes J5s. whoops.

fim

[nWirb]

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basically i feel it is my right to win more than my fair share of pots cos my mother thinks imspecial.


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I agree entirely with this assessment.